SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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empathise wrote:

For many players the character build is Path of Exile; this is evident in the numerous build threads, build videos, build show case, etc... Trying new builds, experimenting with new gem combinations, even more so now with the possibilities ascendancy points provide, improving clear speeds, this is the core of game play for many players. The labyrinth with its slow tedious hard core game play thrown right in the middle of the leveling process gating ascendancy just does not make sense.

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NeroNoah wrote:

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empathise wrote:

For many players the character build is Path of Exile; this is evident in the numerous build threads, build videos, build show case, etc... Trying new builds, experimenting with new gem combinations, even more so now with the possibilities ascendancy points provide, improving clear speeds, this is the core of game play for many players. The labyrinth with its slow tedious hard core game play thrown right in the middle of the leveling process gating ascendancy just does not make sense.

Look, this is where the difference comes for me. See, the whole build game thing is true, but it's half of the appeal for me.

The other thing I enjoy about PoE is the mechanical innovation (or incremental improvements) that GGG has added to the ARPG genre. Bosses like Dominus, Malachai, Rigwald, corrupted area bosses, Tunnel trap, etc. etc. etc. have made the whole thing fresh in my eyes. The labyrinth is a natural trend for me in this game. I like the thrill of things that actually can kill you without cheap tactics.

I play the game to plan builds, but I do not play for the clear speed, I play for the interesting challenges (even if in the long run knowledge trivializes them).

That being said, your point about leveling is true. The game is making it too long, but I'm positive for the future (specially if they remove difficulties or add some kind of Adventure Mode).

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elbowfrag wrote:

How about introducing a currency, with a chaos orb drop rate, that allows players to save progress in the Lab at certain spots? Once a lab run is finished, those save spots are erased. If a player dies, the save spots are lost.

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JFC_Bass_Chant wrote:

The main objection here, which is why so many people want Ascendency points to be removed from the Labyrinth, is that traps are too out of place in current gameplay. I myself wouldn't have a problem with Ascendency points coming from the Labyrinth if it weren't for the traps. That way, it's essentially just another reward for killing a difficult boss.

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empathise wrote:

The amount of entitled fanboy elitism in this thread is staggering.

The OP is right on track, Aside from the tedious boring over tuned boss slug fest known as Act 4; the labyrinth is the worst content GGG has produced. The only saving grace for Act 4 is that you can skip it in merciless, and make good money rushing players through it in normal and cruel.

If you want to experience ascendancy and the builds it enables you are forced to do the labyrinth, forced to deal with 10 zones of hard core play in an unstable environment, traps that kill you if you lag; yeah skill… and don’t even try as a CI build or high life build. If you happen to be blessed by the gods and make it through, you are faced with an insanely over tuned boss, with one shot kill mechanics sending you back to do it all over again; and this is just NORMAL difficulty.

The fanboy FOTM build movement has responded in defense of the labyrinth; git gud, skip it, you don’t deserve to ascend, LTP, ok… For many players the character build is Path of Exile; this is evident in the numerous build threads, build videos, build show case, etc... Trying new builds, experimenting with new gem combinations, even more so now with the possibilities ascendancy points provide, improving clear speeds, this is the core of game play for many players. The labyrinth with its slow tedious hard core game play thrown right in the middle of the leveling process gating ascendancy just does not make sense.

Path of Exile was a great game, and then something changed. Something changed at GGG, something is taking the game in a strange direction. For those of us unhappy, our choice as players is unfortunately to deal with it which is really not fair. Many of us invested money and time on a great game not expecting to have such a drastic change in play style shoved down our throats.

Most all of the players who are unhappy with the current state of the game and still playing is because of the loyalty GGG has bought through listening to the community, let’s hope they are listening now.

Remove the labyrinth from the leveling process, find a different way to award ascendancy, keeping the leveling process smooth and flowing. Great strides were made in redesigning many of the zones; this greatly improved the leveling process and took nothing away from the experience. Please consider changing the labyrinth; add check points to alleviate the pain of “unexpected disconnection”, over tuned one shot boss mechanics, lag death on lava traps, etc… Remove it from the leveling process (ascendancy) and make it optional like racing, add leaderboards and let those who love it, throw themselves at it.

Make the game fun again

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Turtledove wrote:

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JFC_Bass_Chant wrote:

The main objection here, which is why so many people want Ascendency points to be removed from the Labyrinth, is that traps are too out of place in current gameplay. I myself wouldn't have a problem with Ascendency points coming from the Labyrinth if it weren't for the traps. That way, it's essentially just another reward for killing a difficult boss.

Here's a summary of this thread.
Some people enjoy labyrinth so therefore everyone has to enjoy labyrinth (not me though), some people say that traps are not different game play from the rest of PoE (nonsense IMHO), some people argue that ascendancy points are totally optional (not true IMHO), some people argue that people not liking labyrinth is because they are bad players (insulting arrogant irrelevant and false), some people that play labyrinth over and over and over, again and again argue that they can sometimes do a labyrinth run in only 5 minutes so complaints about it are unfounded and petty (silly nonsense since people that hate the labyrinth aren't going to practice over and over and it takes way more than 5 minutes for them to suffer thru the labyrinth), some people argue that only 5 people don't like labyrinth and those 5 people just keep complaining over and over in this thread and others (most crazy of the nonsense)

Did I miss any? :-)