SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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morbo wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

While a good first effort, the answers you provide seem to assume that people are being disingenuous when they say they find the Labyrinth boring, unrewarding, or more like work than like play. You imply that the real reasons they dislike the lab are elsewhere.

* The Lab can't be "boring" and have deadly trap gauntlets at the same time
* The Lab can't be "unrewarding" and have great mob density & chest drops in Merc/Uber
* The Lab can't be "like work", if it's a realtively short expereince, compared to all the other grind

Deadly trap gauntelts, great mob density and awesome rewards (Merc & Uber) are objective properties of the Labyrinth. You can't argue them.

The third point is more subjective, but we can still compare the "workload":

-> getting your 6 (six) Ascendacy points at lvl 80 == ~1 hour of /played
-> getting your char to maps == 10-15 hours of /played
-> getting your char to lvl 90 == 80-100 hours of /played
-> getting your char to lvl 100 == 250-1000 hours of /played
-> levelling your masters to lvl 8 == ~1 month of time

Lab is sooo much "work" -_-

TLDR:
Yes, some people are being disingenuous and some are actually outright lying / clueless.

What you really mean to say is the following, because it more closely addresses the question:

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* The Lab can't feel "boring" and have deadly trap gauntlets at the same time
* The Lab can't feel "unrewarding" and have great mob density & chest drops in Merc/Uber
* The Lab can't feel "like work", if it's a realtively short expereince, compared to all the other grind

It's a single word change, but as you can see it changes the meaning completely. (It also is necessary for it to be logically relevant.)

So, allow me to assume that that's what you actually meant to say (tell me if I am wrong).

"The lab can't feel XYZ."

And yet it does. *I* find the lab boring. *I* find the lab unrewarding (disclaimer: talking about Merciless lab, specifically). *I* find the lab more like work than like play. And I have read variations of the above written by many dozens of different people. (Or many dozens of accounts created by a single individual, if you believe goetzjam. I don't.)

So one of the following statements is true:

1. I am a liar.
2. Your premises are incorrect.

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Telzen wrote:

That's nice bro, you are allowed to find it boring. But why are you projecting your feelings onto everyone else and claiming they are fact? You find them boring, not all of us do. It seems you are in the minority with that opinion. If I found something boring I would either not do it or just do it enough to get what I need out of it. I wouldn't spend months trying to get it changed when its obvious its not gonna happen.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Telzen wrote:

That's nice bro, you are allowed to find it boring. But why are you projecting your feelings onto everyone else and claiming they are fact? You find them boring, not all of us do. It seems you are in the minority with that opinion. If I found something boring I would either not do it or just do it enough to get what I need out of it. I wouldn't spend months trying to get it changed when its obvious its not gonna happen.

Right, lab haters are in the minority. We've heard this before.

We are projecting our opinions on everyone else. We've heard this before, too.

Sorry, "bro," but this adds nothing to the discussion.

In the context of this thread, I'm only interested in specific suggestions for GGG on how to improve the Lab. Further regurgitations of variations on "this thread shouldn't exist" hold no interest for me. Or anyone else, I suspect.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Telzen wrote:

That's nice bro, you are allowed to find it boring. But why are you projecting your feelings onto everyone else and claiming they are fact? You find them boring, not all of us do. It seems you are in the minority with that opinion. If I found something boring I would either not do it or just do it enough to get what I need out of it. I wouldn't spend months trying to get it changed when its obvious its not gonna happen.

Right, lab haters are in the minority. We've heard this before.

We are projecting our opinions on everyone else. We've heard this before, too.

Sorry, "bro," but this adds nothing to the discussion.

In the context of this thread, I'm only interested in specific suggestions for GGG on how to improve the Lab. Further regurgitations of variations on "this thread shouldn't exist" hold no interest for me. Or anyone else, I suspect.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

In the context of this thread, I'm only interested in specific suggestions for GGG on how to improve the Lab.

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diablofdb wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Telzen wrote:

That's nice bro, you are allowed to find it boring. But why are you projecting your feelings onto everyone else and claiming they are fact? You find them boring, not all of us do. It seems you are in the minority with that opinion. If I found something boring I would either not do it or just do it enough to get what I need out of it. I wouldn't spend months trying to get it changed when its obvious its not gonna happen.

Right, lab haters are in the minority. We've heard this before.

We are projecting our opinions on everyone else. We've heard this before, too.

Sorry, "bro," but this adds nothing to the discussion.

In the context of this thread, I'm only interested in specific suggestions for GGG on how to improve the Lab. Further regurgitations of variations on "this thread shouldn't exist" hold no interest for me. Or anyone else, I suspect.

see? when I was calling you out about spamming and bumping multiple labs threads just to spam the forum.....


this is a very fine example of you guys spamming and monopolizing the forum. Which is very not nice.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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I agree a forum on changes and discussion about the game should only praise GGG for making no mistakes and making the only feasible ARPG that exists in the world.

Also if more than 1 person dislikes something there should be an election and only the designated person should post once and less than 32 words of course.

If facts show am issue with the game please realize GGG has 'super facts' they are not sharing and you need to take them on faith.

Finally if you have an issue with anything at all in the game it won't change and you should quit!

Also posting about it shows your disloyal and hate the game.

PS. this is humor for the sarcasm challenged.

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morbo wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

In the context of this thread, I'm only interested in specific suggestions for GGG on how to improve the Lab.

My suggestion is that GGG keeps the Lab just as it is now. Ascension is supposed to be a test of player proficiency & build. Lab is almost perfect in this regard (id make it solo only, but eh, that's not gonna happen). Some builds have an easier time, but that is a constant in PoE history. Just fix stability of Uber.

Any alternate method of obtaining Asc points outside the Lab, should be extremely boring / long / costly... to not invalidate the whole Ascendancy expansion and the work that went into Lab.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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morbo wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

In the context of this thread, I'm only interested in specific suggestions for GGG on how to improve the Lab.

My suggestion is that GGG keeps the Lab just as it is now. Ascension is supposed to be a test of player proficiency & build. Lab is almost perfect in this regard (id make it solo only, but eh, that's not gonna happen). Some builds have an easier time, but that is a constant in PoE history. Just fix stability of Uber.

Any alternate method of obtaining Asc points outside the Lab, should be extremely boring / long / costly... to not invalidate the whole Ascendancy expansion and the work that went into Lab.

You realize most people just pay 5c to avoid the whole thing?

The Lab needs to be limited to solo if its a cock block to limit builds.