SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

The new league thing was just an element that Kellog used, to imply that it was impossible to have any clue on what amount of time GGG would require for any suggestion ( apparently some people made the assumptions that creating new leagues would require some significant amount of dev time, which was proven wrong by some GGG members, no surprise there I think ).

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Fruz wrote:

The new league thing was just an element that Kellog used, to imply that it was impossible to have any clue on what amount of time GGG would require for any suggestion ( apparently some people made the assumptions that creating new leagues would require some significant amount of dev time, which was proven wrong by some GGG members, no surprise there I think ).

Okay, thanks. I know that you tried to explain it once. I'll try to do it as well.

The reason that creating a new leagues shouldn't be a whole lot of effort is that there shouldn't be many changes required to the code. PoE is made of 2 basic pieces, the client code and the server code. Built into this code already is the ability to have multiple simultaneous leagues. This is known because multiple leagues are already supported in the game. The obvious effort required would be to add the new league to the beginning screen where you choose your league and then creating that league instance on the servers so that the client would know where to go.

Trying to evaluate the different potential solutions in the OP is a more difficult task because to do a good job one would have to be more familiar with the server and client code, more specifically the design that the code is based on. Only GGG has that kind of knowledge.

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Turtledove wrote:

Trying to evaluate the different potential solutions in the OP is a more difficult task because to do a good job one would have to be more familiar with the server and client code, more specifically the design that the code is based on. Only GGG has that kind of knowledge.

Agree, having a precise idea for us would be impossible.
However, I am convinced that some of the solution would not be trivial development wise, and thus would need a significant investment from GGG, this was my original statement, that I maintain.

Now, I will never get to an agreement with Kellog about this anyway, so I guess the "discussion" with him about this point is better off over, we both have different point of views.

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Turtledove wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

The new league thing was just an element that Kellog used, to imply that it was impossible to have any clue on what amount of time GGG would require for any suggestion ( apparently some people made the assumptions that creating new leagues would require some significant amount of dev time, which was proven wrong by some GGG members, no surprise there I think ).

Okay, thanks. I know that you tried to explain it once. I'll try to do it as well.

The reason that creating a new leagues shouldn't be a whole lot of effort is that there shouldn't be many changes required to the code. PoE is made of 2 basic pieces, the client code and the server code. Built into this code already is the ability to have multiple simultaneous leagues. This is known because multiple leagues are already supported in the game. The obvious effort required would be to add the new league to the beginning screen where you choose your league and then creating that league instance on the servers so that the client would know where to go.

Trying to evaluate the different potential solutions in the OP is a more difficult task because to do a good job one would have to be more familiar with the server and client code, more specifically the design that the code is based on. Only GGG has that kind of knowledge.

Just to clarify. back in the day, there was a thread regarding the creation of a self-found league. it ran to several hundred pages, just as this topic has. In that thread, the opponents favorite argument was that GGG shouldn't consider catering to the whims of the 'minority' because it would take developers away from more important tasks. They also suggested that creating such a league would take too much development effort. Much more recently, it came to light, that GGG can create leagues very easily and without much effort at all.

I used this in my discussion with Fruz to try and illustrate a point. The point being, we simply don't know what GGG has in place, what they can or cannot do easily or what may take considerable man hours and expense. So, to sit here pontificating over something that is completely unknown is quite foolish.

AS far as I'm concerned, this thread is about presenting alternatives to the current regime. Whether or not GGG take the suggestions on board, is completely out of our hands. However, attempting to guess what they may or may not be able to and how long it may or may not take is a fruitless exercise.

Chris_GGG basically said it takes almost no effort to create a custom league. That's not why they aren't doing it.

https://youtu.be/Vwi6U7MojDQ?t=56m12s

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Albinosaurus wrote:

Chris_GGG basically said it takes almost no effort to create a custom league. That's not why they aren't doing it.

https://youtu.be/Vwi6U7MojDQ?t=56m12s

Thank you for saying something that has just been said three times in a row with everyone agreeing on it, somebody could have missed it.

Nice that this topic is still active. Keep it alive boys, until they fix the problem.

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miljan wrote:

Nice that this topic is still active. Keep it alive boys, until they fix the problem.

Agreed, as someone who loves to roll many characters every league I'm sick of running lab for the AP. United we stand, I hope there is an answer in 2.4

This thread is never going away ever. 187 pages of hope