Feedback and Suggestions - SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas] - Forum

Lab on alts gives me cancer. I leveled Scion in PSC and it will be my last character in poe till I don't have to run the lab, going standard after league ends and just mapping there, no more leagues and new cool builds for me, THX LAB! ps: Grim dawn and D3 look mighty good atm, lab rly killed my alt hype... -Forever Casual- IGN: Zzerk Last edited by _Zerk_#3067 on Mar 17, 2016, 8:45:23 PM	Posted by _Zerk_#3067 on Mar 17, 2016, 8:36:46 PM Quote this Post
Off Topic If you actually see reasonable and well put suggestions or construtive though negative feedback as tears then you should stop eating cookies, and check for diabetes. If you have nothing to add on the suggestion mentioned in the OP (either for or against it, we dont judge different opinions like some do) better pray that the Gid Gud Spirit guides your brain and hand to write better posts next time instead of clearly hollow and antagonistic ones in a futile attempt to be witty. If indeed you white knights didnt have any problem with us dont liking the Labyrinth content and playstyle why is it that you so fiercely try to defend it? And nontheless with no logical arguments (or no arguments at all), blaming and mindless shitposting in an attempt to undermine honest feedback/suggestions like rats for no apparent reason. If you hope that feedback doesnt or shouldnt actually bother GGG, then you made a fool of yourself like certain white individuals have already done in this and other similar to this OP threads. " Turtledove wrote: Why is it so hard to understand that there is a difference between saying the labyrinth is not fun and someone saying the labyrinth is too hard? Laziness also has nothing to do with it. That is just you projecting false things on others so that you can insult and belittle them. I have never alt-F4 out of the game. If someone did though I don't understand why you find it necessary to insult and belittle them? Just because you play the game a certain way it doesn't make it the right way or the best way. People play the game to have fun. If they are having fun then they are playing it the right way. Why do you even bother posting in the forums if everyone and everything you may disagree with or don't understand makes you so upset? If you tried to be friendly with people you might even discover that it might actually make you feel better and a little bit happier? Ill quote what he said cause it fits as an answer on 90% of the white side's posts (coincidence?) On Topic We clearly dont have fun with the new content, and nobody can actually dictate to us how to have fun. We honestly try to show GGG that a huge aspect of the expansion feels like its stealing the fun, only to replace it with frustration and boredom. This is coming from all kind of people : Those who have done merci lab in HC, those in STD, those who try to do it but havent managed yet, those who refuse to even try it, even people who farm the lab have reported so many negative things regarding it. Having AC behind the labyrinth has denied long time players the joy and fun to integrate the new "trees" with the basic one and that is turning them away from the game. In the same time this gating offers an extra reward to players that already find labyrinth fun and engaging. Wouldnt be just or at least reasonable a solution where a bigger percentage of the playerbase is satisfied to be found? New people welcome aboard, your opinion on the subject matters. Inundated with cockroaches, I am https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216 - labyrinth rework ideas/suggestions	Posted by Regulator#4587 on Mar 17, 2016, 9:01:03 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" sidtherat wrote: why would they? because that easyriders playerbase drags down the game. if player is too bad or too lazy to do a lab thrice - he is not likely to advance into end game nor he is willing to learn and get better this makes them keep the no-difficulty policy and balance the game around chicken out logout/tp out. hardcore game you can logout of danger? it is a joke not a hardcore game. they are probably going to reduce the logoff potential and i bet that people with glass cannon banana builds that can only run maps and SOME bosses - except for damage rolled maps - wont like that their logout tricks work no longer and guys - you are 'quitting' for 2 weeks already. People could say the same shit about you about being a scrubcore player bringing the game down. Let's not act like you're hot shit.	Posted by allbusiness#6050 on Mar 17, 2016, 9:19:23 PM Quote this Post
I would assume GGG moves Ascendancy points away from rinth in the next bigger patch. They should understand to do at least that much from all the negative feedback they're getting... I'm sure putting those points to rinth seemed like a good idea on paper, give people the incentive to run rinth and be rewarded for it. On paper. In actuality, adding rinth as mandatory content to 4 acts on 3 difficulties, not to mention that you need to consider killing Izaro / surviving rinth runs when you actually make your build, it's a lot less appealing system all of a sudden. Also, I'm pretty sure the majority of PoE's playerbase is situated in the sc side of things. [s]only mindless sheep think labyrinth is OK to have in PoE.[/s] okay nevermind labyrinth, fix dx9 blackscreen instead...	Posted by mynameisonlyforthegods#2781 on Mar 17, 2016, 9:21:32 PM Quote this Post
Please put some restricted cool loot on Labs, just like Atziri, and free the points. I have chars that 'CAN DO' lab without problems (just boredon), but also I have glass cannon chars whos just can't! It's restricting the options of end game builds... Remember the 'build of the week'? I think by now they will all be tankers... Jesus, i'd ratter quit than asceding all my alts...	Posted by Viralset#0066 on Mar 17, 2016, 9:29:19 PM Quote this Post
I too believe that marrying Ascendancy points with the Labyrinth was a huge mistake. Also while I personally hate the Labyrinth I can argue for my point without any reference to my personal bias. ARPGs are about grinding xp and gear, killing monsters and fine tuning your builds. That has been the core of the genre from Diablo 2 to present day. Dodging traps, pulling levers and solving puzzles is not what people think of when someone says ARPG. For this reason only it's a terrible idea to lock Ascendancy classes (which definitely classify as mandatory) behind content that has nothing to do with Path of Exile's genre. Genre breaking content is fine as long as... 1:...nothing mandatory is gated behind it (i.e. don't force your players to play another genre; while it's safe to assume that all PoE players like ARPGs it's also safe to assume that all PoE players don't like platformer / Tomb Raider rip offs). 2:...it doesn't eat development resources from the core game too much (i.e. don't make a whole expansion centered around content of different genre, it's going to make many of your customers angry). -- Like few others on this thread, I've used to play quite a few characters each league (maybe 2-6 85+ characters per league, most of them in HC). With the Labyrinth I've moved back to scrubcore and will most likely play with one character only (I play games to have fun so I have no intention of playing any additional Labyrinth runs resulting from HC rips or alt characters). Also for the first time in PoE's history I'm looking for other games to play this early in the new leagues.	Posted by kuukkeli#6751 on Mar 17, 2016, 9:50:26 PM Quote this Post
" Brussel_Sprout wrote: " Pyrokar wrote: I don't even wanna do the trials. Labyrinth makes me wanna create less characters than i would have in a character creating game. That. I love creating new characters all the time. Labyrinth is painfully boring. I avoid doing even normal Labyrinth as long as I can just so I can run it quicker. BORING. PAINFUL. WASTE. OF. TIME. Yea i wanted to do something crazy like RF Iron will Rime gaze-cold to fire-avatar of fire-kaom's heart hierophant, which looked really great on paper and in previous leagues i would totally go for something silly that might or might not work out at all, just becuse i had the silly idea of creating it. That's the part of the game that i found amazing and made me love it. This league i prefer to stick with the char that already did the labyrinth. That would be the one that i created to fuel my other build ideas. Saddly they will not come to fruition. I'm a forum warrior, i was born to post, raised to defend my league. Now my post has been removed, chained and exiled by mods who Ban. Ban is my brother; i do not fear it. I see it in the eyes of men and beasts that i troll. It will take me to play the actual game when i am ready and i am not ready. Last edited by Pyrokar#6587 on Mar 18, 2016, 6:00:11 AM	Posted by Pyrokar#6587 on Mar 18, 2016, 5:57:50 AM Quote this Post
" Regulator wrote: I understand GGG has put a lot of effort on the expansion and what im asking is too much, but ascendancy points should be freed from the labyrinth's tyranny. Those who like the labyrinth itself wont lose anything and even if they feel they do GGG can compansate them with extra loots or better enchantment system. Those who dont like the labyrinth finally are free to mess around with the only thing that is worth messing in this expansion, the Ascendancy classes. So no change of playstyle for neither "lovers" nor "haters" , while as it is now the "haters" get the shaft for not supporting GGG idea and design of a different playstyle. FREE ASCENDANCY POINTS, make PoE a better place. To do that simply write here what bothers you about lab EDIT: I ask for a fellow "labyrinth hater" who also uses Reddit to make this a thread there if it doesnt already exist, with enough people gathered we might achieve anything 2nd EDIT : I have not made it clear in the original post so ill clarify, im not asking for ascendancy points to be free but freed from labyrinth, meaning that GGG can put them as rewards for someting else. /Signed	Posted by Protanos#3983 on Mar 18, 2016, 6:37:19 AM Quote this Post
" Regulator wrote: New people welcome aboard, your opinion on the subject matters. Hello, i'm new. I like fighting through the lab to ascend... Edit: Actually, did you read the poems in the lab, about the "Warrior" and the "Guide", how they travelled this road for a long time together. But only one of them was an emperor. And how the warrior in the end dispaired at the sight of the labyrinth and didn't get to ascend to become an emperor? Last edited by Antaiseito#1203 on Mar 18, 2016, 7:12:55 AM	Posted by Antaiseito#1203 on Mar 18, 2016, 7:10:21 AM Quote this Post
" Viralset wrote: Please put some restricted cool loot on Labs, just like Atziri, and free the points. I have chars that 'CAN DO' lab without problems (just boredon), but also I have glass cannon chars whos just can't! It's restricting the options of end game builds... Remember the 'build of the week'? I think by now they will all be tankers... Jesus, i'd ratter quit than asceding all my alts... but you know that this might be te reason to put the lab in? so people can no longer build uber glasscannon builds and right click trough the game with 3.2k and 1.5mil dps it is a speed bump to power creep and a learning opportunity for new players people were so used to all-damage no-skill builds that they simply cannot cope with the content	Posted by sidtherat#1310 on Mar 18, 2016, 7:39:50 AM Quote this Post