How to fail Labyrinth with 91lvl character on Normal

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sidtherat wrote:

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mynameisonlyforthegods wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

but the labyrinth is pretty much level-independent. traps deal % damage no matter the level. what differs is the mob clear speed and some mechanics (like locked doors in 'gold key' levels in merc, but no such blockades in normal).

What? My first run on normal had a golden door. Second run on cruel had none. Pretty sure golden doors appearing are all rng, not difficulty related.

after several runs they seem to be appearing MUCH more frequently in higher difficulties. sadly because golden door means yet another room to clear :/

Isn't the layout of rinth same for a 24 hour period? At least that's how I understood it. that'd mean that if a golden door appears once, it'll appear on all the other runs as well during the 24 hours on that difficulty.

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sidtherat wrote:

i think that there are 3 sources of MASS of complaints (it really is quite a large number of not-so-happy posts)

a) this is not what poe was for last few years - mob slaying fast paced game. lab is fast paced but mobs are there just to refill flasks

b) people with gear in place of skill that know little of the game/mechanics and are simply thrown into water too deep for them. trade warriors, rmt'ers, people combining these two with ranged uber-dips build. they wont ever admit that - but they simply need to L2P

c) tedium, repetitiveness (yes, lab is constantly changing yeah, i know - but it took me 5 runs to figure out pretty much every 'secret passage area' types and understand how is the level generator set). it is a very nice content (i like the Lab) but it is as always - good concept, bad implementation. instead of too many RNG layers we have too many rooms to pass. i manage ~10 minute runs and it is fine but more than 3-4minutes out of it is just doing chores


source d) no tp. people wont admit that but many and i mean MANY players cannot play without porting out (or logging out). they HATE this design but cannot vent due to ridicule potential

Let me tell you the real 3 reasons:
1) It's boring and has nothing to do with a hack and slay arpg!
2) It's boring and has nothing to do with a hack and slay arpg!
3) It's boring and has nothing to do with a hack and slay arpg!

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666lol666 wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

i think that there are 3 sources of MASS of complaints (it really is quite a large number of not-so-happy posts)

a) this is not what poe was for last few years - mob slaying fast paced game. lab is fast paced but mobs are there just to refill flasks

b) people with gear in place of skill that know little of the game/mechanics and are simply thrown into water too deep for them. trade warriors, rmt'ers, people combining these two with ranged uber-dips build. they wont ever admit that - but they simply need to L2P

c) tedium, repetitiveness (yes, lab is constantly changing yeah, i know - but it took me 5 runs to figure out pretty much every 'secret passage area' types and understand how is the level generator set). it is a very nice content (i like the Lab) but it is as always - good concept, bad implementation. instead of too many RNG layers we have too many rooms to pass. i manage ~10 minute runs and it is fine but more than 3-4minutes out of it is just doing chores


source d) no tp. people wont admit that but many and i mean MANY players cannot play without porting out (or logging out). they HATE this design but cannot vent due to ridicule potential

Let me tell you the real 3 reasons:
1) It's boring and has nothing to do with a hack and slay arpg!
2) It's boring and has nothing to do with a hack and slay arpg!
3) It's boring and has nothing to do with a hack and slay arpg!

well actually his 1st reason was your... any.

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SupaMF wrote:

I wonder if this game is made for people or zombies, coz honestly whoever like this lab thing is sick in the head. O.o

I think you are onto something there, I hate the lab and fear they will add these stupid traps to the rest of the game in future updates

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666lol666 wrote:

1) It's boring and has nothing to do with a hack and slay arpg!
2) It's boring and has nothing to do with a hack and slay arpg!
3) It's boring and has nothing to do with a hack and slay arpg!

this

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mynameisonlyforthegods wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

but the labyrinth is pretty much level-independent. traps deal % damage no matter the level. what differs is the mob clear speed and some mechanics (like locked doors in 'gold key' levels in merc, but no such blockades in normal).

What? My first run on normal had a golden door. Second run on cruel had none. Pretty sure golden doors appearing are all rng, not difficulty related.

For me, i could breeze through the Labyrinth without Golden Keys/opening Golden Doors to reach Izaro, but on Cruel, the only way forward to Izaro was behind a Golden Door, so i had to backtrack and get a Golden key.

Peace,

-Golden Child-

I actually love it.

The fact that actually traps kill you even with meta builds if you don't try to put some skill in is rewarding from my point of view.

My only possible complaint is that it's very long and if something happens (dc...) this can be frustrating. If GGG can find a solution to this issue that's the best stuff i've seen in POE so far :)

I guess im the only person who is playing in standard this time around and enjoying the labyrinth.....
I mean i even like how they made the trap damage a Base Percentage so even when you run through n normal you can still be killed by the traps even on a high lvl character. It makes not such a snooze fest as i was expecting. And once you get all 6 points on yours old character thats when the real farming of the place can begin. theres actually a shit ton of potential for loot to be pulled out of that place not to mention each time you run through on merci when you finish you get as many keys as possible for the last boxes (Getting all 10 is going to be a pretty fucking insane challenge IF it is even possible) AND you get another chance at getting the GG enhancement you are looking for on your particular build. (Ive been going for the Discharge one on my helm but so far ive got some other nice ones my rats nest so i just swap them out on the next run in those cases)

IDK i guess to each their own but i think the labyrinth is pretty fucking nice myself. Theres plenty of reasons to keep farming it when you get bored of mapping and atleast it changes everyday so if i run it in the morning and its a shitty one i dont like ill map that day instead and try again tommarrow. If i run it and its an easy one that i can plow through really fast and can get the golden keys for instance really easy and they go quick then those are the ones to farm for the day for enhancements. Im still working on my MF character im gonna take in the there and see just how much killer loot can be pulled from there on a good day.

Thats said i can also see why some people in standard will not enjoy it as much.. I played it in normal on a fresh build and i quickly realized its MUCH better to run that place on a fresh build ESPECIALLY for the loot and for lvling. If you are running it just to ascend on an old character then sure i bet i could feel like a chore in normal and cruel since the loot is gimped but once you get normal and cruel quickly out of the way then the fun runs can begin.

It would also be nice if they could figure out a way to where if you DC you can start back at a checkpoint or something but i can see why they have not as well because people could simply hit the CP and then log out and exploit it. I mean they have our stashes in each room before the boss fight anyway so why not let us CP there and remove the stash and have a portal to go out to town as normal just from that room and that room only and maybe make it only have one portal so if you use it to go back to town to sale or whatever and then DC its your loss but if you have problems with DC you could have that CP as a way to keep your progress if you do happen to DC. IDK just throwing out some ideas. I haven't died in there yet but i have DC a couple times last night well on my way to the 3rd fight and it was kinda shitty when it happen for sure.

I personally loved the bosses, they used those skills only to drop my FPS, not to do any damage to me (except that damage that I was taking while staying on 2 second freezes every time those protectors got full health). Or get a small freeze while running near those traps, see you in next attempt.

OMG when I've read the topic I went insta ROFL. But then I've read that it was DC. Feel for ya man. Well if it makes u feel any better I wasn't DCed but died once on normal due to too much traps covering the ground thus repeating lab and it took me well maybe close to 3 hours in total to get my ascendancy and 1st 2 points :)