The Labyrinth is everything I dislike about games in one package.

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le_souriceau wrote:

In general, there is 3 main problems (for me).

seems like these are the problems with the game, not lab?

I hate the lab because:

- trap gameplay
- forced content to get those mandatory AC points
- trials / uber trials


And please don`t argue, that I don`t understand the content or that I have to learn to like the lab.
Thats is not an argument^^. Some people may like the taste of s***. I don`t.

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TheDeathX wrote:

I hate the lab because:

- trap gameplay
- forced content to get those mandatory AC points
- trials / uber trials


And please don`t argue, that I don`t understand the content or that I have to learn to like the lab.
Thats is not an argument^^. Some people may like the taste of s***. I don`t.

Trap gameplay doesn't seem like its going to be removed, we see it in various maps thematically as well.


Forced content to get massive power creep is on par for any ARPG game. In terms of "mandatory" GGG has done very little to make them actually required, there is a reason why people skip them until much later and even more reasons why some people don't even do uber lab.


Trials are once per league sort of thing, the non map ones can all be done quite quickly, especially if you split up as a party. Similar situation with map trials, not as much on the splitting up, but on the sharing part.



Please don't argue is just an excuse to say what you want and expect no one to reply. That isn't how a forum works. If you don't want to argue, then just don't respond.

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Forced content to get massive power creep is on par for any ARPG game. In terms of "mandatory" GGG has done very little to make them actually required, there is a reason why people skip them until much later and even more reasons why some people don't even do uber lab.

Did you even read what i wrote?



And you argue that people get them later and maybe dont even do uber lab? I meant doing lab in gerneral for those points. So you agree with me... People need to get them? Even if they "only" need 6 of them. --> still forced content for me, because i don´t like doing lab at all

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Trials are once per league sort of thing, the non map ones can all be done quite quickly, especially if you split up as a party. Similar situation with map trials, not as much on the splitting up, but on the sharing part.

I dont like trials...uber trials... and your answer is: Hey man, come on, you only have to do it once per league and it can be quite fast if you party up. Does that change the fact that i dont like them?
Not really.


I can make a new char and play everything quite save except trials + lab (+uber). (hc ofc)
Maybe an Sc player doesnt care if he has to try lab one or three times...
For me the AC points were one of the best improvements so far, but the lab is really the worst part of the game right now. And it is a major part in the game.

So am I happy with the game? Hell, no

Why do I even care? Because Poe is/was one of the greatest games for me.

Why do you even care if people don`t like the lab?
Do you think that the labyrinth was a good expansion?

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Did you even read what i wrote?

Nope I cant read.

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I dont like trials...uber trials... and your answer is: Hey man, come on, you only have to do it once per league and it can be quite fast if you party up. Does that change the fact that i dont like them?
Not really.

GGG is fine with people not liking\enjoying the content if they are still doing it for the reward.

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I can make a new char and play everything quite save except trials + lab (+uber). (hc ofc)
Maybe an Sc player doesnt care if he has to try lab one or three times...
For me the AC points were one of the best improvements so far, but the lab is really the worst part of the game right now. And it is a major part in the game.

The lab isn't anywhere near one of the worst parts of the game. Even if you feel like it is, the lab is literally a fraction of a percentage of the time you spend playing a character, so following that logic the problem cant be the worst part of the game when it is literally such a small amount of time it takes in order to do it.

What makes you think its a major part of the game? GGG still has yet to rebalance the game in such a way that they are required in order to do content. Do they make content easier, sure, but the bar was not really raised in appropriately.

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So am I happy with the game? Hell, no

Could it be anything other then the lab that are the reasons why you are dissatisfied? What happens if you were magically gifted the AC points and need not worry about the lab, is it a care free amazing game you are making it out to be?

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Why do I even care? Because Poe is/was one of the greatest games for me.

As well as for me, unfort. there are many other issues that affect you know 99% of the game's content that needs addressed and redoing a massive expansion like the lab, if it was something GGG was going to do takes lots of time, something they obviously don't have anytime soon.

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Why do you even care if people don`t like the lab?

I don't mind if you don't like it, neither does GGG, TBH, they've already said so, because you do the lab (and trials) for the rewards. I have a lot more respect for feedback in this topic from people that have ran the lab and have a deep understanding of the ins and outs.

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Do you think that the labyrinth was a good expansion?

I think AC classes provide something that was missing from the game. The cat it out of the bag so to speak in terms of balance, but I think GGG can address this in 3.0 Personally I think they need to release or adjust the game when they add such power creep, instead of waiting a year+ in order to really make any changes.

I think the piece of content the "lab" as we see now is in a pretty good spot. GGG is likely going to address the ladder aspects of it with other gateways (non us ones). They've went back and made various zones dark, they've addressed at least some of the issues with disconnects (like if you spam click a door)


I play this game almost exclusively in HC, so the lab as a piece of content is fine for both HC and SC, like any new content in a game it takes a few tries in order to learn limitations and learn how to tackle the challenge.

LAB is a piece of sh1t content for an ARPG like PoE.
It's one of the main reasons I don't play HC and I used to play only HC in Diablo.

If you want to do it for the treasure fine.. But for some skill points?
I feel frustrated that I need to do content I don't enjoy doing at all, and I am forced to do it for various builds to work.

If people are making special builds to clear lab that already means it's crap, your build shouldn't be locked that hard from achieving skill points..

I have just died twice in uber lab, I try to take my last two points and I just exited the game, I am tired of this crap, I have never ever exited when I died in HC Diablo, but this crap makes me frustrated so I exit and go play Dark Souls.

Hf

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LAB is a piece of sh1t content for an ARPG like PoE.
It's one of the main reasons I don't play HC and I used to play only HC in Diablo.

So the piece of content that requires you not to die in order to get the points is the reason why you don't play HC? I checked a couple of your characters, you've ascended, which means you've done the challenge in SC, whats the difference in HC if you need to not die?

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If you want to do it for the treasure fine.. But for some skill points?
I feel frustrated that I need to do content I don't enjoy doing at all, and I am forced to do it for various builds to work.

They aren't just regular skill points, they are AC points, which are far more powerful. You have to level don't you? You have to do various maps you don't enjoy, don't you? You have to struggle at the start of a league, don't you?

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If people are making special builds to clear lab that already means it's crap, your build shouldn't be locked that hard from achieving skill points..

People make specialized builds for all sorts of content in ARPG games. When atziri was first released people made specialized builds for those, does that mean atziri is shit? Following your logic all builds should be equally challenged against everything, that isn't how most ARPG work, if they were to work like that it would mean that any choices you really make are unimportant.

I have yet to see a single build that can't do the lab. Now uber lab might provide more of a challenge, but that is only natural, even so I haven't seen a build that cannot do that challenge at all.

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I have just died twice in uber lab, I try to take my last two points and I just exited the game, I am tired of this crap, I have never ever exited when I died in HC Diablo, but this crap makes me frustrated so I exit and go play Dark Souls.

What did you die to? If you say traps ima try not to laugh, if you say the boss, then your complaint\issues with the lab are actually far different then others.

Lab fails on the premises that it is a completely different type of gameplay contrary to most ARPGs games. You may LIKE the NEW types of gameplay that Lab may bring to the game but it doesn't really justify why we need a stark contrast to the rest of the game.

1. It forces you to restart a long section of the game. Unless you like playing hardcore, you play traditional softcore (comparable to ARPG norm) which doesn't force you to do this other than xp penalty which the lab already also has on death.

2. "trap" gameplay that is heavily enforced. Traps are okay as add-ons. Long gauntlets of undodgeable traps that ignore most forms of defense who gameplay boils down to teleport/zoom through it as fast as possible in 2 seconds are bad. If I decided not to create a character that can zoom across the map super fast then it may be extremely frustrating to do through theses gauntlets.

3. Extremely overtuned boss for the content around it, unless your extremely twinked out or have an build specialized in killing bosses extremely well you will almost always come back completely overleveled and geared for the fight.

Easy fixes would be:

1. If your going in for ascend points allow checkpoints at each boss but he can't drop more than 1 key.
3. Normal - Merc boss needs to be tuned down along with his side mechanics.

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BloodMoonZ wrote:

LAB is a piece of sh1t content for an ARPG like PoE.
It's one of the main reasons I don't play HC and I used to play only HC in Diablo.

If you want to do it for the treasure fine.. But for some skill points?
I feel frustrated that I need to do content I don't enjoy doing at all, and I am forced to do it for various builds to work.

If people are making special builds to clear lab that already means it's crap, your build shouldn't be locked that hard from achieving skill points..

I have just died twice in uber lab, I try to take my last two points and I just exited the game, I am tired of this crap, I have never ever exited when I died in HC Diablo, but this crap makes me frustrated so I exit and go play Dark Souls.

Hf

BloodMoonZ, thank you for voicing your opinion on the piece of shit Labyrinth. There are many that share your opinion that Labyrinth is a frustrating piece of shit. We have this opinion not because it is difficult game play but because the game play is not fun. I've added your name to list at number 757. As the list grows longer our voices grow stronger. Over 300 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 750 posters in support

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BloodMoonz joined PoE back in early 2011. It is clear that he's a gamer that really enjoys PoE and wants PoE to be as great a game as possible. He's been playing this game far longer than most people. The hateful mean people that want to silence people that love this game and feel that Labyrinth is bad and should be fixed or at least have the ascendancy points made available elsewhere are the ones that are hurting this forum and this game. If you love playing labyrinth, fine go play the labyrinth. If you're a hateful person that can't stand people like BloodMoonZ and me giving our opinion to GGG because we love the game then you need to do some soul searching. You need to accept the fact that BloodMoonZ has an opinion and has every right to express his opinion. That is the stated purpose of this forum after all. You need to stop reading the labyrinth threads until you regain/gain some respect for others. It is not good for you to be a hateful person. So this would be for your own good.

Can you do a profile on me?