First Wave of Trade Improvements

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snatat wrote:

Stash Tabs Confirmed Pay to Win \( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)/ but in reality "near real time" is not gunna make a huge difference. Its more like pay to get an advantage which stash tabs were already..

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Vaydra wrote:

Can you trade as before? Yes
Can you trade without buying a single premium tab? Yes
Are there more improvements to follow later? Yes
Will players that have only bought normal tabs still be able to trade? Yes
Have players been asking for trade improvements for 3yrs+? Yes
Will players be able to find out if sellers are online reliably Yes
If I haven't traded before and don't want to buy a premium tab, can I download a small app and follow a youtube guide to set it up before the league starts in under 10mins Yes

Are some players trolling by mentioning Pay2Win to get a reaction in this thread Yes

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cesmode wrote:

On the topic of whether or not this is pay to win: Uncertain.

Basically, GGG is saying "If you want to trade, buy premium stash tabs". Or, better yet... "If you want to acquire halfway decent items, spend money". Because we all know you cannot realistically outfit a character in decent gear via self-found. I know this for a fact, because Ive only ever played Self Found in POE. I don't trade. And I haven't gone as far as many of you, (~75 in HC I think?) because I just dont have the items to flesh out a good build. So yes, this is saying that if you want to go far and acquire good items, spend real $$.

And to everyone that thinks this is an indirect attempt to weed out "free loaders" as you call it, think again. Someone might be supporting the game financially via regular stash tabs or cosmetics. Just because someone didn't spend money on premium tabs, or any tabs, doesn't mean they don't spend money. So please stop with that futile argument right there.

This "update" made it easier for the people that spend lots of money and time in the game to corner the market and acquire goods easier because some people will not pay for tabs. As for QoL: All this is doing is making it easier to list items and see who is online. It isn't doing anything to eliminate the hassle of using ridiculous 3rd party websites to trade in a game.

For the record: I already have premium tabs. Im advocating for those who don't.

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Vaydra wrote:

Can you trade as before? Yes
Can you trade without buying a single premium tab? Yes
Are there more improvements to follow later? Yes
Will players that have only bought normal tabs still be able to trade? Yes
Have players been asking for trade improvements for 3yrs+? Yes
Will players be able to find out if sellers are online reliably Yes
If I haven't traded before and don't want to buy a premium tab, can I download a small app and follow a youtube guide to set it up before the league starts in under 10mins Yes

Are some players trolling by mentioning Pay2Win to get a reaction in this thread Yes

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YurhedaSplode wrote:

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phmn wrote:

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Komle wrote:

Unfortunately, stingy assholes cannot understand this concept.

You can do everything as before, with third party, with addition to this extra convinience.

People cannot appreciate what GGG has done for our quality of life - people think THEY'RE ENTITLED both to improvements and for getting them for free.

GGG is a private company which has started in one man's garage, they fucking need to finance themselves in order to keep pushing the content.

Just because your stingy asses won't or can't afford to give them some money, doesn't mean everyone should suffer.
And if you're so hung on the old system - go use it.

It's not like purchasing stash tabs is any more pay to win than before. You needed at least 10 tabs before this. What's the fucking problem?


GGG, for the love of God, please don't listen to these haters. You've done a wonderful job. Please keep it up - I have been donating to you, and just because of this improvement, I'll scrap up some moneys in order to finance you further in near future and I'm sure many more people will.

Good job.

Your arguments don't apply to all people. This isn't about being stingy. This is about the game being true to their initial goal, to make a game that is not p2w. By your argument they can change that and make everything p2w and change their business model completely. Imagine if one day they decide to sell exalted orbs for dollars. They are a private company so they have the legal right to do what they want.

However this isn't about legal rights. It's about respecting your community and also not engaging in false advertising.

Also, your other argument that whoever opposes to this change is a hater, is non-sense. GGG isn't above criticism and you don't have to be a hater to disagree with something they do.

I think that eventually GGG will realise their mistake and change this. If they don't it means one thing: They are desperate to get more money even if it means that this hurts their image. If this is the case we will see other desperate moves in the future and this can only hurt the game.

Please... Take a second and quantify how big an advantage this actually is. This is p2w in the same way that a mud puddle is a body of water.