[2.6] TankyTwirl - PhysSpell CoC Cyclone

Blade Vortex was never good with CoC because you don´t get any stacks at all. It has tiny AoE and with the recent changes to it, it got even worse on low stack counts.

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ZweihundertMorder wrote:

Blade Vortex was never good with CoC because you don´t get any stacks at all. It has tiny AoE and with the recent changes to it, it got even worse on low stack counts.

Ok, blade vortex may be a bad option certainly, but for example glacial cascade or anything else.

In essence Im interested about how necessary it is to take the gem life leech instead of Warlord's Mark as Aura and carrying a third spell or crit multi, when it is assumed that coc now works better with more spells (one same spell per 500ms, two spells 4 cast per sec, three spells 6 cast per sec)

I do not criticize anything, I just want to know it :)

Greetings and thanks for responding so fast!

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sergio_thor92 wrote:

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ZweihundertMorder wrote:

Blade Vortex was never good with CoC because you don´t get any stacks at all. It has tiny AoE and with the recent changes to it, it got even worse on low stack counts.

Ok, blade vortex may be a bad option certainly, but for example glacial cascade or anything else.

In essence Im interested about how necessary it is to take the gem life leech instead of Warlord's Mark as Aura and carrying a third spell or crit multi, when it is assumed that coc now works better with more spells (one same spell per 500ms, two spells 4 cast per sec, three spells 6 cast per sec)

I do not criticize anything, I just want to know it :)

Greetings and thanks for responding so fast!

Only leeching with Warlords is crap vs. all Bosses because of reduced Curse effect.

I wish there was a good option to get reliable Leech as a caster without the gem but there isn´t.


You can map without LL, but Bosses will be a pain. If you use Voidbringers you don´t even need Warlords Blasphemy, infact a cwdt Warlords is allways better in my oppinion, there is almost no reason to waste 35% Mana on a effect that works jsut as well as cwdt setup for no investment at all.

The problem with not using life leech gem is that boss fights get rippy because of the reduced curse
effectiveness. And of course hexproof maps gets impossible. I tested a lot of combos to try and ditch life leech gem but in the end I found it necessary to have, there just wasn't any other sources of leech that good enough to make it possible to facetank bosses. I had cold leech on dagger, Doryani's belt for leech, Atziri flask and Warlords mark with Blasphemy.

I played a very similar build on Prophecy. But I didn't play since then until now... so I need a refresher from someone:

1) Can someone remind me what the CoC cooldown was before the nerf? It's 500ms now right?
2) Why does this build use EK + Bladefall. Since only 1 spell can be cast every 500ms, doesn't it help to just have one spell?

Thanks in advance for answers!

@sephonly

1: Yes its 500ms

2: Its 500 MS per Spell, so 1 Spell = 2 Casts per second, 2 Spells = 4 Casts per second. So it would be very bad to only have 1 Spell.

Anyone tried Skin of the Loyal with this build?
I mean we get +1 level of socketed gems(nice dps boost), cheap 6l, and that 100% inc. ES, with nice ES shield and boots and uniques with good ES i think it can easily replace 500ES chest?

Thats teorycrafting only :) Would like to see it, but not losing 20-25c (with right colours) :)

i used it for leveling with my Raider Version. Its ok but it was not near to the ES a 500+ Chest gave me. But maybe it works better as Trickster as you get more ES from the Ascendancy.

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ZweihundertMorder wrote:

i used it for leveling with my Raider Version. Its ok but it was not near to the ES a 500+ Chest gave me. But maybe it works better as Trickster as you get more ES from the Ascendancy.

Yeah, maybe :) If i get some currency, i`ll try, but i found 600ES 5L chest for 20c.
And Skin with colours we need is 25c. Skin is definetly great for dps.

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djokosrb wrote:

Anyone tried Skin of the Loyal with this build?
I mean we get +1 level of socketed gems(nice dps boost), cheap 6l, and that 100% inc. ES, with nice ES shield and boots and uniques with good ES i think it can easily replace 500ES chest?

Thats teorycrafting only :) Would like to see it, but not losing 20-25c (with right colours) :)

Ey! Im here again. I leveled my character during the last three days until 80 using Skin of the loyal.

With my gear and trickster i reached 10200 ES with loyal and tried a 600 ES chest and reached 10800. That is the difference. My loyal cost me 12c and i have more dmg thanks to +1. At the end you should choose between more dmg with loyal or evasion and just a little more ES with a sadist or carnal, that can cost 300c six link.

This my gear now



Note: Granite flask is much better than Basalt.

My stats in ho without charges and no flasks are:

10500 ES
10300 Bladefall
11800 EK
72% Crit Cyclone
77% Crit EK
67.3% Crit Bladefall
400% Multiplier with Spells
All resis 140+
6% Physical reduction
30% Chance to evade

You can check my tree in my profile, need more lvl, still missing 2 jew nodes, flask nodes and some ES and spell dmg.