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ScrotieMcB wrote:
Regarding North Carolina:

A law regarding bathrooms (or anyplace else) in state-owned, public buildings is one thing, a law for bathrooms in privately owned buildings is another, and a law passed, at the state level, regarding city-owned buildings is yet another.

First, it shouldn't be any government's place to say how a private place of business maintains its restrooms. A law requiring private businesses to do things a certain way is wrong. This means BOTH the Charlotte law and the North Carolina law are, for the most part, wrong.

The state doesn't own city buildings, the city does, and the city should be able to make rules for its own publicly-held property. Therefore, the portion of the Charlotte law which would apply to public buildings should be upheld, and the state law should not apply there.

The only thing left would be state property, for which I imagine the state law should apply.

Generally speaking, however, the actions of the North Carolina legislature represent the most petty form of politics, attempting to override a valid local decision with the sheer raw audacity that a bigger government knows better than a local one.



The concept behind a government having a place to say how a private place of business maintains its restrooms is that while, yes, the business is private, everything that allows the business to flourish is not; the police that prevent the business from being robbed, the firepersons that put out a fire should one happen, the waste removal, the roads that allow people access, etc, etc. Unless we're talking full bore anarchy but then again, government saves anarchists from themselves.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:

First, it shouldn't be any government's place to say how a private place of business maintains its restrooms. A law requiring private businesses to do things a certain way is wrong.


Just want to point out this is absolutely incorrect. The government sets the rules to which its economy operates and this can include the restrooms if the government deems it necessary.
Last edited by GeorgAnatoly#4189 on May 8, 2016, 4:48:28 AM
I simply do not agree. Of course, I understand that "government can regulate anything" is the status quo.
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Advocating for the government deregulation of private business restrooms might be the most right wing thing I've ever read lol.
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The problem of government regulation makes me remember a lot the problem of creating a controller for a physical process. It has a lot of analogies.

An economic system can be regulated via laws, monetarily, or fiscally (for example, you have quantitative easing in the zero lower bound and automatic stabilizers for the bussiness cycle).

I see two problems with the laws, the first one is ethical, and the other one is how good actually is on average. Do politicians have any right to say people how to run their bussinesses? (for example, asking them to have security measures or not discriminating). If they have the right, does that mean they are able to not screw it? (for example, if they ban neonazi media, how far would they go with that power? Is it a slippery slope or not?).

Truly engineerey stuff
So, if laws are something like this:



One can see (from a consequentialist point of view, not a deontological one) law as the controller, enforcement as the actuator, corruption as the disturbance, society/bussiness as the plant and statistics/scientific studies/citizens actions and votes as a feedback mechanism. You can consider the overall spending as the energy consumption function of the system.

What flaws do I see? Well, getting a model of the plant is tricky as fuck given the nature of social sciences (for example, when we discussed discrimination, we couldn't agree if bussinesses discriminating have a considerable effect in the LGBT population, basically, ideology). Even with that, lawmakers can be incompetent to solve the problem (how does one measure that? Again, ideology). Enforcement can be inefficient, ineffective or too expensive (war on drugs, for example). Corruption mess everything, a law can be good but corruption can fuck the enforcement to the point of making it useless (that's the problem, to give an example, with pigovian taxes). The feedback loop can get fucked with the politization of science (social sciences are classical for that, but one sees that with GMO, nuclear energy and climate science a lot), and citizens can act irrationally or the feedback loop can be cut (for example, gerrymandering and the first past the post voting system in US, reducing freedom of speech, outright repression, state terrorism, etc.).


Personally I think it's worth the try even with all that fuckery, but it's probably impossible to know. And even then, you'd have the question if it's ethical to do so even if the results are good.
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Politicians acting as lawmakers elected by a largely irrational majority is a pretty inefficient way to solve the problem of governance but it's a step in the right direction compared to a theocracy or a ruling monarch.

Maybe we should require a 4 year degree in a STEM related major as a minimum to vote lol.
Well, Sanders wanted a 4-year degree to be a minimum qualification for working any job better than fast food, so I'd file your idea along with his.
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GeorgAnatoly wrote:
Maybe we should require a 4 year degree in a STEM related major as a minimum to vote lol.


What makes you think being a STEM would make you a good lawmaker? I mean, current Communist Party in China has engineers in many positions. It works (if you ignore freedoms that have been crushed), but you have to question how the whole thing is working.
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