[2.1] Talisman CI/life viper strike build

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Messerschmitt wrote:

I put together a non-crit Scion VS build but it's probably garbage since you won't be chaining as many applications of poison as if you were going crit-based with Adder's Touch.

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http://exiletools.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwAAAF4DhwOWBbUGcAceCC4Mcw5ID6sRLxGWE20UCRXtFr8ZjhutI_YkiyaIJpUqOCsKMHwxnjWSNdY2PTrhOyhFCkkTSVFKyE2STeNOn1FHVL1VS1xAXfJfsGBDYeJirGyMbj1vnnWedoJ6f3vDfXWC5IMJhMWHy4ngiq-NfY2_j_qQEZMflS6VZpaLmyabjZu1naqjiqZXpzSnm7GztMW00bVItzC-gL68wJzC7MM6yAzKSs8V037Vudi94tXjhOZY6NbrY-1B7YPw1fJF9Mb-Cv6P_ro=

I heard the Acrobatics area isn't as great as it used to be so I left it out in order to go further in to the Ranger tree. Otherwise, you could get Acrobatics and fill in the Revenge of the Hunted area.

Stats

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+85 to Strength
+225 to Dexterity
+70 to Intelligence
+90 to maximum Mana
+134.5 to maximum Life
Evasion Rating: 56
+3 Maximum Endurance Charge
+3 Maximum Frenzy Charge
+3 Maximum Power Charge
4% Additional Elemental Resistance per Endurance Charge
4% Physical Damage Reduction per Endurance Charge
4% Attack Speed Increase per Frenzy Charge
4% Cast Speed Increase per Frenzy Charge
4% More Damage per Frenzy Charge
50% Critical Strike Chance Increase per Power Charge
46% increased Attack Speed
34% increased Melee Physical Damage
+18% to Fire Resistance
+18% to Cold Resistance
+3 Jewel Socket
+18% to Lightning Resistance
11% increased Cast Speed
12% increased Movement Speed
103% increased Physical Damage
+10 to Armour
24% increased Evasion Rating and Armour
+18% to all Elemental Resistances
159% increased maximum Life
145% increased Chaos Damage
+20% to Chaos Resistance
Life Leech applies instantly. Life Regeneration has no effect.
99% increased Damage over Time
40% increased Physical Damage with One Handed Melee Weapons
5% increased Skill Effect Duration
+5 Life gained on Kill
8% increased Attack Speed with One Handed Melee Weapons
97% increased Evasion Rating
45% increased maximum Energy Shield
12% increased Attack Damage
12% increased Spell Damage
20% increased Mana Regeneration Rate
0.4% of Physical Attack Damage Leeched as Life
24% increased maximum Mana
3% of Life Regenerated per Second
0.4% of Physical Attack Damage Leeched as Mana
125% increased Damage with Poison
10% chance to Poison on Hit
20% increased Life Recovery from Flasks
20% increased Flask Recovery Speed
4% increased Cast Speed with Chaos Skills
Gain 5% of Physical Damage as Extra Chaos Damage
10% increased Physical Attack Damage while holding a Shield
36% increased Physical Weapon Damage while Dual Wielding
2% additional Block Chance while Dual Wielding or holding a Shield
16% increased Physical Damage with Attacks
+10 to Strength and Dexterity
2% additional Block Chance while Dual Wielding
6% increased Attack Speed while Dual Wielding
20% increased Accuracy Rating
28% chance to Avoid being Stunned
20% increased Stun Recovery
14% increased maximum Energy Shield from Intelligence
17% increased Melee Physical Damage from Strength
+450 Accuracy Rating
45% increased Evasion Rating from Dexterity

I'm fine with being told this tree sucks though. It's my first time trying to put something together on my own.

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therealjcool wrote:

Honestly, both CI trees are complete garbage. You get ZO but have no life regen on tree whatsoever; you also don't get frenzies to get lifereg via Blooddancers. So either drop ZO and get VP, or get some life regen in there.
I have yet to produce a good CI tree for this myself, have tried and deleted many so far.

Your life tree looks much better, and I think for a starting char in a new league it will be way better (even though I hate life builds :D).

Mine looks very similar, except I took the "Vitaltiy Void" node in order to make lifeleech more meaningful (hopefully).

Edit: here's a CI tree with VP, maybe can be used as a base.

http://www.exiletools.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwYAsNii2cgU9W9qjBa_D6ttbCSL53S1SOywwzrbGujW1ELrY4wLKjgQewW1pn-EbxEvuXy-OgZw7UErCk6fXfJ6fw5IKgsRlnBSf8aQGwceidOTJ3BWlS6MNr6KbAvviJoT8NWhL8rTIvT5N9vUj_pJUbQMbRnXz-wY0NDqukZxEVDZW5f0SbEsv0cGX2oNfIMJNbkbJVJTFdfy4dh2b55gQ6crHU9LrpeVPV-GrmNDuT5W9Zykbj3pAkyzVmOsZttuhxO-gCBu0B9Ffizhl9B3B1Aw7-sOXH3jjopq-g==

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Tereng wrote:

Let me know how you feel about it.

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Messerschmitt wrote:

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Tereng wrote:

Let me know how you feel about it.

This tree definitely looks a lot more clean and efficient through the use of claws. I really didn't want to play as a Scion because that start would have killed me with boredom and without the need to fill in Method to the Madness, there's really no reason to head in that direction.

I know that I'll be going VS for Talisman and it'll be my return to a melee build in a very long time so i'll keep my options open in regards to going crit or non-crit.

I guess my only gripe with going Viper Strike is that, no matter where you start, it feels very much like Path of Life again.

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Tereng wrote:

That was a good catch :). I have removed ZO and added vaal pact, updated the tree link. Also, I have removed dual curses, I had something in mind when crafting but doesn't look that good atm. I have taken the path towards true strike, that looks more optimal. Thanks for the feedback.

I have few questions about your CI tree though:

1. I see you haven't taken the mind drinker node, how is mana managed for the build?
2. You have taken area effect nodes, how are they useful for this build?

For the life based tree, I haven't taken the "vitality void" because as you can see in the gem setup I am running CWDT + warlord's mark that should give enough leech. Also, the tree is close to those clusters can be taken if needed.

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0Nemesis wrote:

New tree for shadow life based dual wielding high crit dps:

http://www.exiletools.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwYAAAYFLQW1BnAHHgvBDY0OSBEvEZYTbRQJFe0V9ha_G60j9iT9JogmlSoLLOEuUzY9N9RDMUcGR35JUUp9TP9Nkk4qTp9RR1S9VUtW9VeXW69cQF3yYEFh4mJ5YqxjcGVNaoxsCGyMcFJwVnTtdoJ6f3rvexR944RvhNmHdonTjDaNfY2_joqP-pAblLiVLpXMlouX0JoTnaqi2aOKrGaw2LTFtNG1SLcwuT69Nr6nwuzIDMgU02_UQtW52Hbawdtu29Tb5-LV45_nVOtj7T_tQe4O8NXxivVv-WP8xf_e

more balanced than before