MoreRain: Life&ES CoC Discharge [2.2]

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Ananake wrote:

Yo maks dawg,

ty for the built and the time and effort you put in this guide :)
I just recently got a volls devotion (sadly MS and not +1 curse :P ) and I'm about to craft a vagan dagger and elreon diamond rings.

For the dagger I'll just stick to your tutorial, though I've noticed both you and PoE17 have AS as suffix, was that a lucky regal or is there a safe way to get that mod? Also i'm still a little bit confused whether to craft cold or fire damage, cold is best for BV and fire best for IN but if I'm still undecided which to use, or if I want to have both options, I just dont craft any damage roll for now?

Regarding the elreon diamond rings, how would you suggest to craft them (do you have a tutorial/guide for them just like for the daggers, or is it similar)? 1-stat-rare and multimod? Is there a way to increase the chances of mods like chaos res and life?
And can they be divined to get a higher -mana cost roll?

There is no safe way to get AS on a dagger, I paid about 20ex for mine.

If possible use a ring with cold damage until ascendancy hits and then decide if you want to do cold or fire. However cold is a safe bet because you can use it even without BV, and with BV it's still great. The only thing is that if you're always gonna use BV you can get cold to spells. Honestly there's no reason NOT to use BV unless it gets nerfed somehow in 2.2.

Elreon rings I suggest getting ones with a single resist or life and then multimoding. They can be divined whenever to get -8.

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Hoptam wrote:

AoE is not an issue for builds without Volls as everything is dead within seconds even without it. The only thing that matters is single target in my oppinion and and having PCoC in link with cyclone and Blade Vortex produce more charges then you can spent.

There are no such a thing like "Produce more charges than you can spent". The more charges the more dps...For example on Atziri even with BV and Chimeric or Phoenix Thirst you discharging like 3-4 Power charges/Discharge....So thats how it works on single target. The discharge's dmg mostly dependent how many charges you discharging....So there is never be a status what leads to your words.

PS.: Power charges also hardly affect your crit rate, so the more is better unless you have crit capped without power charges.

Is the new shield good enough to replace Voll's chest?

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tattoogun wrote:

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Hoptam wrote:

AoE is not an issue for builds without Volls as everything is dead within seconds even without it. The only thing that matters is single target in my oppinion and and having PCoC in link with cyclone and Blade Vortex produce more charges then you can spent.

There are no such a thing like "Produce more charges than you can spent". The more charges the more dps...For example on Atziri even with BV and Chimeric or Phoenix Thirst you discharging like 3-4 Power charges/Discharge....So thats how it works on single target. The discharge's dmg mostly dependent how many charges you discharging....So there is never be a status what leads to your words.

PS.: Power charges also hardly affect your crit rate, so the more is better unless you have crit capped without power charges.

well you are ofcourse right - the more the better.

What I wanted to say is something else thou

With the Volls chest every crit = power charge but if there is only one target you dont produce that many more power charges with or without the chest if the crit is high enough. With some other chest (shavrones in my case) you can create many more ways to play the CoC discharge. You can even go with Carcass Jack or going more defensive with things like Kingsguard (100 HP per Endur charge spent)

One thing is for sure - kudos to the guide - it helped me so much with my build (the EE stuff especialy and so on) I cant thank enough.

PS: looking at the PCoC gem properly - you might be right - its a lot more charges :-)

Its also really depends what type of the build you use. Personally i running with CI so the Voll's protector is perfect for me in this case. 100% to get a charge on crit is like you cant replace it with 10%, 20% or 56% what the lvl20 PCoC gives you, nor with all together. With BV its also procs really nice on single targets too (of course dont makes as many powercharges as on tons of mobs around but still the best option in my opinion).

About the Kingsguard its a really nice armor for LIFE based builds. Since you have to use Ghost reaver on CI and on Hbyrid too you dont really gets benefits (nothing on CI of course) from Kingsguard only in some rare cases when you got your ES gone and have only your HP left, but its not happening since you using Ghost reaver. But still the PCoC is not that good as some ppl thinks (my opinion, tested out tons of daggers, gems setups, items on this build). Tbh The Kingsguard works really nice on Discharge when you have a tons of defensive stats such a lot of armor then you can facetanking dont caring about the dmg what you take....and this is possible with Mjölner Discharge. So i dont recommend to use it on this build not even on hybrid. But you know, who am i to say what to use :) Its all about what the players feels the best for their playstyle and feels comfortable with. Thats the beauty of POE if you use your brain a little you can figure out a lot of stuffs what fits the best for YOURself.

Cheers!

Any cool Ascendancy classes you guys though yet?

I think going scion with Berserker + Assasin could be nice:

1.5% leech (could drop leech(rip vs reflect?) gem or enjoy super leech)
5% increased dmg taken (not that big)
some attack speed if u take big hit
10% more dmg

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+1 base crit chance
Maim enemies with melee crits (they get 30% slower debuff when u hit them with cyclone)
+40% to crit multi vs enemies on full life, guess thats useless since cyclone does atleast some dmg.

So many different combinations, wow.

I think the berserker leech would be soooo nice, pair it with warlords mark and should be pretty good.

Could even replace leech gem with immortal call for some nice IC uptime.

I decided to go trickster for hc. But I think occultist would be better with high budget. Dunno, just hate this elreon's jewelleries...

Is it confirmed that trickstar will make cyclone free?

trickster:walk the aether+shade form?

assin:Deadly Infusion +Assassinate ?