[Suggestion] - Hideout's Trading Post -

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vio wrote:

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Hilldrake wrote:

Maybe i'm wrong, anyone have a different opinion about that ?

maybe? just watch chris' opinion on trading at 23:20 min, for example sellers specifying buyout prices are a no-go.

That video just shows that how disconnected he is with the current game.
Nobody is actually bartering right now, nor there is any significant human interaction element.
If I list something for 2 exalts, then 2 exalts is the price and if someone offers me 1 exalt, I'll just ignore them. And even that is rare due to a huge amount of supply of items in the market. If you want the item cheaper, you could probably find a cheaper version with lower rolls.
We also have very defined prices of items, something that Chris obviously didn't want happening.
You get the drop, check how much it goes for on poe.trade and you list it. You don't even have to think about how good it is or what build it is useful for. You don't even come up with a value yourself, you check the closest item to yours as rolls and you list it for 5% lower or something like that.
If you think about it, we have all the negatives of an Auction House system without the positives.

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morinius wrote:

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vio wrote:

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Hilldrake wrote:

Maybe i'm wrong, anyone have a different opinion about that ?

maybe? just watch chris' opinion on trading at 23:20 min, for example sellers specifying buyout prices are a no-go.

That video just shows that how disconnected he is with the current game.
Nobody is actually bartering right now, nor there is any significant human interaction element.
If I list something for 2 exalts, then 2 exalts is the price and if someone offers me 1 exalt, I'll just ignore them. And even that is rare due to a huge amount of supply of items in the market. If you want the item cheaper, you could probably find a cheaper version with lower rolls.
We also have very defined prices of items, something that Chris obviously didn't want happening.
You get the drop, check how much it goes for on poe.trade and you list it. You don't even have to think about how good it is or what build it is useful for. You don't even come up with a value yourself, you check the closest item to yours as rolls and you list it for 5% lower or something like that.
If you think about it, we have all the negatives of an Auction House system without the positives.

because you trade like you described and there are 5 other forum posters doing the same it clearly shows that EVERYBODY is doing it your way of never haggling.

and chris is of course totally disconected from the game because he has no way of analyzing the database of trades done over their very own trade window implementation.

additionally they can't watch people's private messages going over their own servers and see people haggling about item prices, that's private and only the nsa has methods to hack themselves in.

did you ever think about that items on poe.trade are still listed because nobody wants to buy the item for that price?
yeah, i know ... can't be. because that would mean the listed item price on poe.trade isn't the real price an item is sold for in reality. it's much lower.

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vio wrote:

yeah, i know ... can't be. because that would mean the listed item price on poe.trade isn't the real price an item is sold for in reality. it's much lower.

Yeah, no, not really. The price is correct, at least the lowest one. If you are talking about +10 exalt items, maybe. My trades are from the 5-10c to the 2-3 exalt range and the price is correct and they are sold for the exact amount, providing you list it competitively. By competitive listing means if the price is from 1 to 3 exalts and you have average rolls, you list it for 1.5 and if you have good rolls for 2.

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derbe wrote:

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I don't like it, just cause I like the trade via CHAT, and no one would do if a system like this exists.

See diablo3 etc.

I don't think this is true.

First because in my Suggestion i implemented a way to support those who love the "Trading" option. The barter, and negotiation stuff.

They don't necessarily need to chat in real time (even tho they can do it with the current idea that i came up), but they DO can negotiate using Mail and Off-line messages. If the player gets lucky and his customer is online, both can start a PM negotiation anyways instead of using the mail for off-line casualties.

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morinius wrote:

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That video just shows that how disconnected he is with the current game.
Nobody is actually bartering right now, nor there is any significant human interaction element.
If I list something for 2 exalts, then 2 exalts is the price and if someone offers me 1 exalt, I'll just ignore them. And even that is rare due to a huge amount of supply of items in the market. If you want the item cheaper, you could probably find a cheaper version with lower rolls.
We also have very defined prices of items, something that Chris obviously didn't want happening.
You get the drop, check how much it goes for on poe.trade and you list it. You don't even have to think about how good it is or what build it is useful for. You don't even come up with a value yourself, you check the closest item to yours as rolls and you list it for 5% lower or something like that.
If you think about it, we have all the negatives of an Auction House system without the positives.

This is exactly what i think about it lol. Nobody is bartering neither negotiating. They go to poe.trade (poe.xyz) they check the item, they search for the lowest price, and done. It's ALMOST, ALMOST instant buyout if the player is really online.

And even though bartering become a real thing, i don't think 100% of people will enjoy this system. I mean, who wants to deal with people in game since it's so bad to deal with people in real life ? Specially while negotiating ? When you negotiate in real life people can't be 100% dicks with you because they're right in front of you (in most cases). In game life on other hand, they're not talking with you personally. So there's this HUGE concern about being bamboozled by some player with huge knowledge about flipping and etc. I mean, i'm not blaming the guy that actually has this knowledge, he owned by his own efforts, and that's fair. But this isn't and will never be newbie friendly. Basically all of my friends that play this game, and LOVE it btw, they mostly HATE trading atm. It's pure spam if you don't use poe.trade, and 50% of people are scumbags that says "200 ex OR NOTHING FOR THIS ARAKU TIKI AMULET". Despite the exaggerated example there, i really like the idea of "role-play" a society based on bartering, but it's not for everyone. But this is how PoE works, "it's not for everyone game.", that's why i added an option to keep the bartering on my suggestion. I don't want to complete revamp the trading system, i just want it to be QoL improved.

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Theporter wrote:

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Botting should not be a consideration....

Their are always countermeasures people will take or create themselves via exploit in code, or just programming new apps that cannot be detected.

To prevent a great QOL idea because it can be potentially exploited by bots trying to dip the economy is ludicrous.

Yeah, i've been trying to make this a point but sadly i can't express myself enough =P. But it's the same logic that you can't go out from your home because you have the risk of being robbed. So you'll be stuck in your house forever.

Nice video,

The only thing that is a problem for me is how do i find for instance a ring with hp/fire res/ cold res without looking through 100 shops. Really needs a search function or its gonna be frustrating.

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miektwo wrote:

Nice video,

The only thing that is a problem for me is how do i find for instance a ring with hp/fire res/ cold res without looking through 100 shops. Really needs a search function or its gonna be frustrating.

I like the idea of a searching tool, i really do, thats the most useful thing about Poe.trade...

But as i see that a lot of people complain about that, i didn't put that in my suggestion.

But i do agree with you that it will be a little frustrating. But i can't tell with 100% sure it will be bad tho.

Maybe the people will have to learn how to make marketing about their stuff =P

Like:

"Resist rings !! End-game Uniques !"

The "search tool" would be the Shop Names at the notice board in this case. And sadly you would have to check all the shops you find it interesting. But idk, how to solve that ?