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I have a question, how does Phase + Acrobatics match up to Iron Reflexes and armor nodes? Because, a huge amount of armor comes from Grace conversion, and increases with armor% nodes.

I have seen other non-mjolner builds use phase acrobatics to great success with uber atziri. Have you tried it before?

Hi I'm back.

I've managed to lvl up this RT version to lvl 85. This is minimum lvl for this build to start working properly at the end game content imo.

And as promised - I've done some testing, comparing this RT variant with crit version based on "Revamped & Uber Farming Optimized Heavy Armour Mjolner v2.0" by sgw9426. So without further ado...


Before we begin note this:

+ Everything you will read was veryfied by me in actual gameplay.
+ I did everything at least twice with both builds (so twice Apex run on RT version and twice on crit version etc) to get more reliable results.
+ I've recorder full HD videos @ 60fps of every boss fight with both builds and than played it back on slow motion for analysis.
+ I wrote down kill times and lowest hp drops, kill times were averaged and lowest hp drops were well... lowest hp drops noted in boss atempts.
+ Kill times were calculated using actual time periods when character was dealing damage to the boss (so I skipped Atziri healing phases etc).
+ While testing I do not had acces to lvl 21 puritis and I was using lvl 20s.
+ RT version was not entirely finished, It lacked 4 lvls to be completed - 4 armour nodes that would increase physical dmg reduction further and around 250 life BUT I was using iron skin granite flask on RT version to compansate for physical reduction.
+ In every boss fight I was trying to facetank as much as I could because these are the builds that we facetank everything with, yes, no?
+ I was using identical gem setups on both version except Atziri fight - on RT version I did her once with Iron Will and once with Life Leech while crit version was allways using Iron Will in Mjolner, also RT version was running Wrath on top of other auras.
+ I do not had acces to 6l King's Guard so there was no Fortify vs bosses wich helps greatly.


Common gear that both builds were using:


Other gear that Crit version was using:


Other gear that RT version was using:


Flask setup Crit version:


Flask setup RT:


Tree used by Crit version:


Tree used by RT version:



Common gem setups that both builds were using:

Auras:


Offence:
Trash attack:


Boss attack:


Mjolner:


Defence:


Key stats of both characters:

Crit version:
5088 life
300 life regen /s
84% fire res
79% cold res
83% light res
-15% chaos res
60% phys dmg reduction (without flask and charges)
70% phys dmg reduction (with granite flask)
36% increased AOE
4.76 aps Molten Strike
1.85 aps Cyclone
85% chance to hit
5 max power charges
7 max endu charges
Tooltip Discharge dmg with maximum charges: 18,5k
Average number of charges generated on single target: 4

RT version:
4278 life
0 life regen /s
Vaal Packt
85% fire res
79% cold res
84% light res
-25% chaos res
55% phys dmg reduction (without flask and charges)
71% phys dmg reduction (with granite flask of iron skin)
20% increased AOE
4.95 aps Molten Strike
1.95 aps Cyclone
100% chance to hit
4 max power charges
4 max endu charges
Tooltip Discharge dmg with maximum charges: 13,5k
Average number of charges generated on single target: 7


Test results:

Round 1: Facetanking lvl 76 Malformation Piety (clean, no mods)


Round 2: Facetanking Apex Double Vaals (regular Atziri)


Round 3: Facetanking Apex Trio (regular Atziri)


Round 4: Facetanking regular Atziri


Round 5: lvl 73 Strand clear speed


I'll add more if I'll have time. I want to do Gorge speed run and lvl 76 Residence Dominus facetanking.

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Overall conclusion so far:

Both builds are very good. RT version to my suprise has better dmg output while Bossing. It also feels more reliable due to the 100% hit chance. But because of 0 life regen /s it is vulnerable to damage over time effects such as chaos dmg or corrupting blood and forces you to react quickly. At least 20% chaos resist on gear is required. It also requires more HP pool than currently has. Because of those two things there're to many "o shit" moments right now to be fully comfortable with it. I will lvl it up further and maybe drop a little bit of dmg to add more life. I might redo some tests after that. It feels like it have a potential to be a better build than a crit version but currently it is not.

Sky, you will see a large difference in hp from 80 to 90 because 80 to 90 is when you grab all the hp nodes. But seriously, you should have around 4k right now. None of your gear has tier one life. Do not use Rainbowstrides, they don't help at all. Get some tier 1 life on boots, ring, gloves, and belt. this means 80 ish life each, not 40.

Xiao, regarding Phase + Acro, the reason I don't go all the way over there is because Acro interferes with our armor. It decreases our armor in a multiplicative manner (divides) and seriously reduces our armor. Although we cannot evade attacks, we don't need to have to dodge them. The build was meant for tanking and we end up losing an insane amount of nodes going all the way over there. It also interferes with our spell block that we get from Saffells Frame + Rumi's (if you choose to use Rumi's for max spell block). You can try it see if you like it, but I highly suggest not going there. Too much investment and it just makes our build less tanky.

Rico, I don't understand how your stats were so low for the RT variant. Maybe it's just because you don't have the best gear you can get our a full skill tree or something, but in the super end game, RT scales past crit. I can see how Crit is better around lv 85 (though it was not for me), but RT easily passes Crit by level 90. I noticed you had 4/4 charges for RT, while I have 5/5 charges from Intuitive Leap -> double charges + bandits + belt. I guess that's just another example of having the best gear and jewels. My RT has 70k armor without flasks (70%) much more resistances than yours and a fairly higher attack speed. Again, I'm sure its just because of my gear compared to yours (including Intuitive Leap) and level. I'd recommend waiting until you have max gear for both builds and then compare, just like I did. You will see a pretty large difference. I'll post my in game stats once I level up one more time (Barbarism) so that you can see my actual stats without flasks.

Thanks for your reply! I'll make a new shopping list now! Again, this RT version is amazing.

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Dimensi0n wrote:

Sky, you will see a large difference in hp from 80 to 90 because 80 to 90 is when you grab all the hp nodes. But seriously, you should have around 4k right now. None of your gear has tier one life. Do not use Rainbowstrides, they don't help at all. Get some tier 1 life on boots, ring, gloves, and belt. this means 80 ish life each, not 40.

Xiao, regarding Phase + Acro, the reason I don't go all the way over there is because Acro interferes with our armor. It decreases our armor in a multiplicative manner (divides) and seriously reduces our armor. Although we cannot evade attacks, we don't need to have to dodge them. The build was meant for tanking and we end up losing an insane amount of nodes going all the way over there. It also interferes with our spell block that we get from Saffells Frame + Rumi's (if you choose to use Rumi's for max spell block). You can try it see if you like it, but I highly suggest not going there. Too much investment and it just makes our build less tanky.

Thx for reply Dimensi0n. I'll lvl it up to 89-90, grab lvl 21 puritys (just bough light one, need only fire). At lvl 89-90 I should reach 4,5k life, ~70% phys dmg reduction no flasks (with Soul of Steal) and 87/86 fire/light res. Next step - legacy Saffells to push resists to 88/87 and 80 cold. Than I'll stress test it again :)

The only thing I cannot figure out is aps difference - molten aps me: 4.95, you: 5.5 and I also use 12% attack speed gloves (wtf? jevels? and yes I took 8% quest reward).

Edit: My jools right now:



Edit 2: Regarding charges I fuc*ed up quest reward - took endu instead of power, need to respec that because +2 endu will come from tree + belt and +2 power from tree and quest. But that's what I'll do last after getting my hands on intuitive leap.

These get me up to 5.49 APS:

Only thing i can say ricokgb is if your doing a trial on the crit version you really have to use magnate since that has been the basis of life based crit mjolner for at least the last 2 patches. Also crit version should be able to run of mana with one +2 mana on hit jewel allowing you to use fortify (you would need a lvl 3 enlighten).

Awesome build.I really liked it.Read through all ur comments which clarified a lot of my confusion since this is my first mjolner build.thnks fr that. May be if i do uber ,i wld need your setup,but for normal mapping,i changed it a bit and went marauder.I refered to ur tree and the crit armour build u linked in your post,and thn made my own tree.I went with RT too as i aggree to what u said.Its a lot better with kingsguard .I took a bit more damage and aoe.and got 5k life 70%phy dmg reduction on granite up.I get 85,79,86 all resist with auras (not as high as urs) but is good enough fr mapping end maps.
Used 2 intuitive leap jewels in witch and templar area to take notables.and I run Wrath,PoF and PoL.I can drop wrath to grace if need be,but atm i dont think i need it.
I didnt take vaal pact so that i can take regen nodes and run blood rage for that extra ats (20% for a 20/20 br,if i am correct.).

Looks great :) I love seeing people making their own mjolner variants