This patch is garbage for summoners

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demon9675 wrote:

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Boem wrote:

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demon9675 wrote:

I really think the major issue here is raise spectre. When summoners were all going after revenants as spectres and revenants were killing a lot of non-summoner players in turn, there was clearly something wrong with that mob.

Now that summoners don't have other good spectre options, it's clear there's something wrong with raise spectre. The skill itself needs to be buffed, because summoners should have a LOT of options for which spectres they want to raise (you know, tradeoffs and balance) - and frankly shouldn't have to go farm specific spectres in low level areas every single time they launch the game.

Don't confuse player actions with GGG intentions.

You can raise spectre's from any map you visit if you make your set-up globally for melee/ranged attack/caster spectre's, since any map will have units in them of each sub-group.

Players refusing to do so, is on them, since the intent of the gem is simply to raise a unit and let it fight for you.

It doesn't set boundary's or limitations, players do that themselves.

Peace,

-Boem-

Come on Boem, you're smarter than to argue that players should gimp themselves by passing on a superior option. If specific spectres farmed from specific places are stronger, then almost every summoner will almost always farm them. It's in GGG's court to understand the incentives their own game presents to players and balance accordingly - it's never the player's fault for going after the best option available to them, especially in 2.0 when map bosses are hard as balls.

I'm simply suggesting that rather than maintaining the awkward status quo of incentivizing summoners to go after specific spectres each time they log on - an inconvenience wholly unique to this build that nobody else has to put up with - they should rebalance the skill itself so that raising stuff from any given map is a more viable option. This would also solve the problem of pitting summoners against the rest of the community when some mob happens to be blatantly overtuned (which will happen again in the future as GGG continues to add/balance content).

Some mobs will always be stronger than others and summoners will want to pursue them. But they should have real choices and options. When fixing a broken mob leads to an unintended nerf of spectre summoners, something is clearly wrong with the skill itself (not to mention GGG's control over the collateral damage of their decisions).

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demon9675 wrote:

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Boem wrote:

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demon9675 wrote:

I really think the major issue here is raise spectre. When summoners were all going after revenants as spectres and revenants were killing a lot of non-summoner players in turn, there was clearly something wrong with that mob.

Now that summoners don't have other good spectre options, it's clear there's something wrong with raise spectre. The skill itself needs to be buffed, because summoners should have a LOT of options for which spectres they want to raise (you know, tradeoffs and balance) - and frankly shouldn't have to go farm specific spectres in low level areas every single time they launch the game.

Don't confuse player actions with GGG intentions.

You can raise spectre's from any map you visit if you make your set-up globally for melee/ranged attack/caster spectre's, since any map will have units in them of each sub-group.

Players refusing to do so, is on them, since the intent of the gem is simply to raise a unit and let it fight for you.

It doesn't set boundary's or limitations, players do that themselves.

Peace,

-Boem-

Come on Boem, you're smarter than to argue that players should gimp themselves by passing on a superior option. If specific spectres farmed from specific places are stronger, then almost every summoner will almost always farm them. It's in GGG's court to understand the incentives their own game presents to players and balance accordingly - it's never the player's fault for going after the best option available to them, especially in 2.0 when map bosses are hard as balls.

I'm simply suggesting that rather than maintaining the awkward status quo of incentivizing summoners to go after specific spectres each time they log on - an inconvenience wholly unique to this build that nobody else has to put up with - they should rebalance the skill itself so that raising stuff from any given map is a more viable option. This would also solve the problem of pitting summoners against the rest of the community when some mob happens to be blatantly overtuned (which will happen again in the future as GGG continues to add/balance content).

Some mobs will always be stronger than others and summoners will want to pursue them. But they should have real choices and options. When fixing a broken mob leads to an unintended nerf of spectre summoners, something is clearly wrong with the skill itself (not to mention GGG's control over the collateral damage of their decisions).

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demon9675 wrote:

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Boem wrote:

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demon9675 wrote:

I really think the major issue here is raise spectre. When summoners were all going after revenants as spectres and revenants were killing a lot of non-summoner players in turn, there was clearly something wrong with that mob.

Now that summoners don't have other good spectre options, it's clear there's something wrong with raise spectre. The skill itself needs to be buffed, because summoners should have a LOT of options for which spectres they want to raise (you know, tradeoffs and balance) - and frankly shouldn't have to go farm specific spectres in low level areas every single time they launch the game.

Don't confuse player actions with GGG intentions.

You can raise spectre's from any map you visit if you make your set-up globally for melee/ranged attack/caster spectre's, since any map will have units in them of each sub-group.

Players refusing to do so, is on them, since the intent of the gem is simply to raise a unit and let it fight for you.

It doesn't set boundary's or limitations, players do that themselves.

Peace,

-Boem-

Come on Boem, you're smarter than to argue that players should gimp themselves by passing on a superior option. If specific spectres farmed from specific places are stronger, then almost every summoner will almost always farm them. It's in GGG's court to understand the incentives their own game presents to players and balance accordingly - it's never the player's fault for going after the best option available to them, especially in 2.0 when map bosses are hard as balls.

I'm simply suggesting that rather than maintaining the awkward status quo of incentivizing summoners to go after specific spectres each time they log on - an inconvenience wholly unique to this build that nobody else has to put up with - they should rebalance the skill itself so that raising stuff from any given map is a more viable option. This would also solve the problem of pitting summoners against the rest of the community when some mob happens to be blatantly overtuned (which will happen again in the future as GGG continues to add/balance content).

Some mobs will always be stronger than others and summoners will want to pursue them. But they should have real choices and options. When fixing a broken mob leads to an unintended nerf of spectre summoners, something is clearly wrong with the skill itself (not to mention GGG's control over the collateral damage of their decisions).

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Sixpackand2guns wrote:

Is there any way to mute people from the forum so I dont have to see their lame replies? Seriously, the people saying this is a good patch for summoners or that this did not kill many non overpowered builds, I want to just nerf their ability to put assassin feedback on here at least on my personal computer screen. This was a horrible patch for summoners and if they want to keep it this way they need to add a new buff to the raise spectre gem in general by at least 30% damage and 10% attack and cast speed. This would help a bit, not too much but enough to make people not put their summoners away again or just go the OP builds like all the other cookie cutter nubs that play this game.

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BunnyGlobe wrote:

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Sixpackand2guns wrote:

Is there any way to mute people from the forum so I dont have to see their lame replies? Seriously, the people saying this is a good patch for summoners or that this did not kill many non overpowered builds, I want to just nerf their ability to put assassin feedback on here at least on my personal computer screen. This was a horrible patch for summoners and if they want to keep it this way they need to add a new buff to the raise spectre gem in general by at least 30% damage and 10% attack and cast speed. This would help a bit, not too much but enough to make people not put their summoners away again or just go the OP builds like all the other cookie cutter nubs that play this game.

I made a smart move not to play anything of a summoner but SRS.

Good choice. It's been so long that SRS triumps over other minions build and just recently when summoners able to do something slightly better with Revenant spectres, GGG undo that and SRS is back to the top as a necessity as a summoner.
There is no other summoner build better than SRS build atm and has been so for almost 1 year.


Love,
Bunny

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BunnyGlobe wrote:

Come back after another year, GGG is very slow in making any meta better for builds especially summoners. So many weakness and projected flaws in spectres yet nothing has been done by GGG.

To all fellow summoners, don't expect anything better in a year time. Go SRS build or go for cyclone, TS, CoC etc.


Love,
Bunny