What is your opinion about new globes?

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Eurhetemec wrote:

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RootCookie wrote:

All you have done is prove my point.

No. What he's shown is that you have no respect whatsoever for views or interpretations that do not match you own precisely.

As you said "I even set the scene and you chose to ignore it.". This is a perfect demonstration of how you think that, if you offer one interpretation, others should have to agree that it is the only valid interpretation, or at least a significant interpretation.

But they don't.

Your interpretation goes against the common-sense, Western-cultural interpretation. Chains in statuary mean slavery or imprisonment in the West, period. So it's nice that you have it, but it's not one anyone else needs to acknowledge or say is valid.

If you don't understand that, you need to think about this a lot harder.

there's a difference between respecting and becoming subservient to others point of view. He's got a good point, and ironically, you are the one showing a bias here towards his point of view.

If anything its you who have no respect for other interpretations

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Eurhetemec wrote:

it's not one anyone else needs to acknowledge or say is valid

. Your interpretation is set in stone and you are attacking him for giving the suggestion that it might not be such. though you might be too blind to see the irony.

And frankly, I dont mind if they are slaves myself, I dont know the intention completely and would need the designer to explain it. Not gonna suppose either way. Well, I can suppose, but not gonna suppose my interpretation is completely right, that is just idiotic.

your claim of "common-sense" here is more analogous to a small mind, GGG has shown that they can write more than just black and white.
and if they are slaves, what of it? its in the lore that slaves existed in wraeclast.
GGG isnt advertising for slavery by having a statue representing it.

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Eurhetemec wrote:

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Holocaustus wrote:

The game is chock full of themes of torture and suffering (that is part of its atmosphere and appeal), why are chained women such a big deal to some people? Some twisted sense of gender equality? Would it be a-ok if it was one woman and one man?

That's not the issue. They weren't a subject of great complaint or the like. GGG just felt that they needed updating. It was only after they were updated that the ol' MRA/anti-feminist crowd starting saying how oppressed they were by this change, and tried to make it about this.

The truth is, GGG thought they could do better, so they changed the UI. They are going to add more options in future (likely including the old UI). So being upset about the change is pointless in the extreme.

This may very well be.
But failed communication, and people adding more fuel to the fire did not help at all.

Like I posted already in this thread, people have a lot of reasons to despise SJW tyrant-streak. and if anything GGG should have taken an hint about UI options after the last time they tried to change the UI for a far far worse one than this;

that indeed looked like it was being changed for the sake of being changed, and considering the extremely poor work on the previous one -to the point people thought it was two men when it was a man and a woman- and the SJW witchhunt over the past year (really, sometimes I wonder if people learn anything from history) made it so that the most likely conclusion in that case would be a change due to them.
Then the awakening happened, and it was changed again, why people think it might have been due to that? due to history of previous change and the fact that there was no UI change option.
What I think is the truth here? wouldnt be very surprised if it was changed partially due to SJWs, BUT with the intention of protecting the largest release from bad advertisement (hell, these are the kind of people who had Gamersgate Ceo stepdown due to continued attacks, the same kind who got a Nobel Prize winner to lose a job over a joke, its extremely normal to be afraid of these "anti-harassment" "good people") .
It might not be such, but frankly, I would make such a move myself if I was at the head of a company. However I would give a UI change option BUT considering such a huge release, im sure there's more important stuff people are pressed to work on.

For now, to people who quit, I'd like to ask once again to give GGG the benefit of the doubt, do not donate if you feel you cant yet. but do hold the possibility in mind. Give them time, they are working on so much;

To people that dont know, Malachai boss fight ending is not even finished, and doedre and Shavronne voice acting is not there yet, Im sure there are many more issues, nvm some unknown bugs and whatnot

He you used the letters w j and s in a certain order should you not be banned as well?

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Disrupted wrote:

there's a difference between respecting and becoming subservient to others point of view. He's got a good point, and ironically, you are the one showing a bias here towards his point of view.

No. There's a clear, sharp line between understanding someone else's views and demanding that others accept your views as valuable. He's doing the latter. I don't to respect his views beyond allowing that he has them and has the right to think what he wants - it's fine for me to find them without merit or rationale, for example.

You clearly agree with me on this, given your later dismissal of a lot of viewpoints as without merit. You can't say "respect his views" whilst whinging about "SJWs" (i.e. people with a certain view).

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your claim of "common-sense" here is more analogous to a small mind, GGG has shown that they can write more than just black and white. and if they are slaves, what of it? its in the lore that slaves existed in wraeclast. GGG isnt advertising for slavery by having a statue representing it.

... I don't care?

I didn't love or hate the old globes. Only the weird MRA/anti-feminist crew seem to care about this much. My wife, who is an actual feminist, and actually helps women out there in the world (particularly in Africa/Asia) rather liked the globe-ladies.

So this whole "OMG UR GIVIN IN 2 THA PC BRIGADE!" nonsense seems to me just that. I didn't see any "these are improper" complaints about the globes (except from a very right-wing religious guy once). To me they just seemed a little tacky and juvenile. A bit, y'know, '80s, and not a good way. The only people who seem to see them as an actual huge deal (discounting the hordes of jokers and trolls pretending to for the lulz) are strange men who think they are "victims" of "feminists" (/rolleyes).

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This may very well be. But failed communication, and people adding more fuel to the fire did not help at all.

You don't get to complain about "failed communication", because:

A) Your entire post is a good example of failed, contradictory and confused communication.

and

B) GGG's communication on this has been fine, but everything they've said has been drowned out by trolls, jokers, people intentionally ignoring GGG's comms and simply making stuff up. In the last few posts of this very thread we've had plenty of people making stuff up, demanding that GGG do stuff they've already said they want to do, etc. etc.

So blaming GGG for this irrational, frankly.

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Like I posted already in this thread, people have a lot of reasons to despise SJW tyrant-streak. and if anything GGG should have taken an hint about UI options after the last time they tried to change the UI for a far far worse one than this;

This has nothing to do with "SJWs" or "feminists" or whatever. This is about GGG making an aesthetic change to a slightly tired/tacky (imho) UI element. You are the one responsible for bringing your own SJW baggage to this party. You are the one who must accept responsibility for that baggage, as must others who did the same.

Stop trying to blame everyone but you.

This seems to be a very common thread in the complainers here - everything they're doing wrong is someone else's fault, whether it's other posters or GGG or whatever.

Nope. It's your fault.

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It might not be such, but frankly, I would make such a move myself if I was at the head of a company. However I would give a UI change option BUT considering such a huge release, im sure there's more important stuff people are pressed to work on.

Thing is, you are not nor are likely to ever be the head of a company, when you're so keen to see conspiracy theories and to see yourself as a victim, rather than to be level-headed and patient.

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Necropotence wrote:

Bring back the chicks or riot!

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Eurhetemec wrote:

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there's a difference between respecting and becoming subservient to others point of view. He's got a good point, and ironically, you are the one showing a bias here towards his point of view.

No. There's a clear, sharp line between understanding someone else's views and demanding that others accept your views as valuable. He's doing the latter. I don't to respect his views beyond allowing that he has them and has the right to think what he wants - it's fine for me to find them without merit or rationale, for example.

You clearly agree with me on this, given your later dismissal of a lot of viewpoints as without merit. You can't say "respect his views" whilst whinging about "SJWs" (i.e. people with a certain view).

I do agree with the idea, but his explanation is not irrational, nor did he ask for it to be accepted as absolute truth, nor was it "out there".

You could see the guy that misunderstood your comment as a direct attack to him, but can you not see your own misunderstanding here?. and yes I can say things about SJWs when I provided proof of destructive behaviour in said thread. I do defend SJWs right to speak, I however do not defend their current ways.

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Eurhetemec wrote:

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your claim of "common-sense" here is more analogous to a small mind, GGG has shown that they can write more than just black and white. and if they are slaves, what of it? its in the lore that slaves existed in wraeclast. GGG isnt advertising for slavery by having a statue representing it.

... I don't care?

I didn't love or hate the old globes. Only the weird MRA/anti-feminist crew seem to care about this much. My wife, who is an actual feminist, and actually helps women out there in the world (particularly in Africa/Asia) rather liked the globe-ladies.

So this whole "OMG UR GIVIN IN 2 THA PC BRIGADE!" nonsense seems to me just that. I didn't see any "these are improper" complaints about the globes (except from a very right-wing religious guy once). To me they just seemed a little tacky and juvenile. A bit, y'know, '80s, and not a good way. The only people who seem to see them as an actual huge deal (discounting the hordes of jokers and trolls pretending to for the lulz) are strange men who think they are "victims" of "feminists" (/rolleyes).

juvenile? I think you are being juvenile yourself if you consider such to be.
also pretty funny that you using anti-feminist as if its a defamating definition (might agree with MRAs since some are quite parallel to current neo-feminist). Also very mature yourself to put so many words in others mouths.
You consider them trolls, not even real people, have it passed by your mind that maybe people are used to the old globes and know them as an iconic part of Path of Exile, and some of those people themselves, are tired of destructive behaviour in gaming as general I've posted EVIDENCE of here? though I do agree some are overreacting

Congrats on your wife for fighting the good fight, she's probably not the kind of feminist that people here despise.
Everybody is subject to judgment and just because one claims to be fighting for the good of others does not immediately makes them so. the little confrontation of the more extremist when they fight under a good banner and consequent poisoning of ideologies is what making people dislike feminism nowadays. its so easy to hide under the pretention of doing good.
Just see the word "feminazi", to someone who might be ignorant of why people used such a term, they might think the one using it hates woman, when Im pretty sure its more likely they only hate neo-feminists, you know, the kind of people who say things such as manspreading, mansplaining, twitter gave me PTSD, video related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL2Zmye3BkY, and no, she's not joking, this is the kind of crazy people that have infested feminism.

For reference, it comes from a "How to be a feminist" panel, or how i'd rather call it, how to be part of a cult(seriously, in another panel where she talked they had "LISTEN AND BELIEVE" in huge letters):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHDbZ2hHtlg&feature=player_detailpage#t=399
do note Sarkeesian hides likes and dislikes on her videos and prohibits comments under the guise of sexism (because critiquing a woman is sexist)

EDIT: changed link because other was smaller and frankly I dont want to give her views, though you can check her channel if you want, its feministfrequency

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Eurhetemec wrote:

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This may very well be. But failed communication, and people adding more fuel to the fire did not help at all.

You don't get to complain about "failed communication", because:

A) Your entire post is a good example of failed, contradictory and confused communication.

and

B) GGG's communication on this has been fine, but everything they've said has been drowned out by trolls, jokers, people intentionally ignoring GGG's comms and simply making stuff up. In the last few posts of this very thread we've had plenty of people making stuff up, demanding that GGG do stuff they've already said they want to do, etc. etc.

So blaming GGG for this irrational, frankly.

a)At least elaborate if you are going to insult someone.


b)No, it has been not, they did a bare bones explanation, and only tackled the possibility of UI chance option AFTER the complaining, even though they knew better from previous experience. And Rachel dig a deep hole here by doing a vague accusation, that was a great mistake as well, one that could maybe not be as damaging if she followed with an explanation. as I posted before I might even agree with her.
However people should understand that they are very pressured with work at this time.

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Eurhetemec wrote:

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Like I posted already in this thread, people have a lot of reasons to despise SJW tyrant-streak. and if anything GGG should have taken an hint about UI options after the last time they tried to change the UI for a far far worse one than this;

This has nothing to do with "SJWs" or "feminists" or whatever. This is about GGG making an aesthetic change to a slightly tired/tacky (imho) UI element. You are the one responsible for bringing your own SJW baggage to this party. You are the one who must accept responsibility for that baggage, as must others who did the same.

Stop trying to blame everyone but you.

This seems to be a very common thread in the complainers here - everything they're doing wrong is someone else's fault, whether it's other posters or GGG or whatever.

Nope. It's your fault.

Are you a prophet? a wizard? a mind-reader? a god? because you sure seem absolutely fucking certain of everything.
I consider every possibility, and I do think the main reason is aesthetic change but I dont discard the possibility of trying to avoid the wrath of destructive groups. (and this didnt start in 2.0, the baggage was already in the topic)

Everyone but me? did you read all of that I posted in this thread?
and by chance, have you read your own posts? seems like you are talking to yourself.
Again, I think GGG should have learned more from previous experience.

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Eurhetemec wrote:

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It might not be such, but frankly, I would make such a move myself if I was at the head of a company. However I would give a UI change option BUT considering such a huge release, im sure there's more important stuff people are pressed to work on.

Thing is, you are not nor are likely to ever be the head of a company, when you're so keen to see conspiracy theories and to see yourself as a victim, rather than to be level-headed and patient.

Did you even see my posts in this thread? You are reading only the parts that you wish.
I really dont believe you are unbiased as you claim to be.
You might believe it so, but that doesnt make you.
Oh yes, and amazing how you claim posting evidence = conspiracy (on whole SJW destructive behaviour). in case of GGG, I give them the benefit of the doubt and have been asking people to do so for pages now, maybe if your judgment wasnt so clouded, you'd notice parts I even put IN BOLD (and there's a big difference between being infected with SJW poison, and trying to avoid the wrath of such, if it is related, Im inclined to believe its a case of avoidance)

and just cherry on top that you continue to baselessly attack my person (nice little insult with the company part), clearly your are the mature one here.

Some day human beings will be able to create online forums and post on them without resorting to personal attacks. Some day, I hope.

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Eurhetemec wrote:

Stuff

I wasn't here when the actual change took place, but around two years ago, there were several people who complained. One of the devs (I think it was Mark, but I may be way wrong there) explained that it was a design decision and they had no plans to change it. Now, it has changed, after gamergate became a thing. Many correctly or not, are going to draw a line from point A to point B.

One of the threads can be found here:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/647493/


Here is a theory - and I may be way wrong, I don't know if the dates line up - but it is curious. There was a dust up over the Obsidian game 'Pillars Of Eternity,' which you may notice shares the same acronym as Path Of Exile, and both are referred to as PoE. I believe it is possible the devs went with this change to disassociate this PoE from anything that could draw the ire of people looking to be offended about the other PoE. Full disclosure, I have no idea what is up with the other PoE, i just remember seeing headlines.

I am shaking my head in disbelief. You guys have spent this number of pages and this level of vitriol over the nature of discussion over the new globes??

I'm not going to say anything further. Your combined posts speak for themselves.

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You could see the guy that misunderstood your comment as a direct attack to him[...]?

It was my fault, indeed. I've read Mr Eurhetemec post just roughly, and I've seen that:

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Yep - they made a perfectly sensible change, which most players won't and haven't noticed, and want to do the sensible thing and allow more options in future, but people would rather rage and flip tables then say "Oh, hey, cool, I'm an adult so I'm capable of being patient and waiting for the minor aesthetic option which does not affect my gameplay!".

instead of that:

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Yep - they made a perfectly sensible change, which most players won't and haven't noticed, and want to do the sensible thing and allow more options in future, but people would rather rage and flip tables than say "Oh, hey, cool, I'm an adult so I'm capable of being patient and waiting for the minor aesthetic option which does not affect my gameplay!".

That was the reason, why I was so upset. I'm very sorry about it, Mr Eurhetemec, please accept my apology.

New globes are a damned sight better than the previously proposed old man cockenballs, but still inferior to the girls imo. Also, the little lip on the top edge of your health/mana level looks bad.

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Winterfury wrote:

I am shaking my head in disbelief. You guys have spent this number of pages and this level of vitriol over the nature of discussion over the new globes??

I'm not going to say anything further. Your combined posts speak for themselves.

this guy is awesome