[outdated] Caustic Arrow Solo Map MFer (20/300+)
So jelly of that maraketh bow XD.
Been trying to find one to craft for the last week but sadly no one has white 6L maraketh bows for sale. EDIT: Xeno, speedrun is probably worth more currency in the long run. Personally I don't mind taking 10 to 15 minutes per map to completly clear it and vendor everything or nearly everything (sometimes there's just too much loot for 6 portals to be enough XD ). So I guess it's up to playstyle. Mine is, no profit is left behind, no stragglers are left alive. Otherwise it's a waste of map. "The heavens burned The stars cried out And under the ashes of infinity Hope, scarred and bleeding breathed it's last." Last edited by Elhazzared#4582 on Oct 26, 2015, 8:27:50 AM
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" Nice one! And grats on your level 4 Empower - I've got about 6 empowers I'm leveling now in hopes of getting one. Just wondering... with level 4 empower, have you thought of coloring one of your bows so that you can run both Item Quantity and Item Rarity? Seems like this might be worthwhile if DPS doesn't suffer too much. Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Oct 26, 2015, 1:19:49 PM
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Actually that's what I'm going to do hank. I'll use poison arrow + slower projectiles + concentrated effect + empower + item rarity + item quantity. The cloud is definitly much smaller but with a 20% PA and carcass jack it's still a decent size.
However simply adding item quantity is detrimental. There is a table showing that unless you go "full retard" on both item rarity and item quantity it's not worth going past a certain amount in both. This means you'll also want to add aurseize, have the best MF amulet you can get and 70 andys. Just stack both as high as you possibly can and rare all maps to further increase quantity and quallity. "The heavens burned
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" I disagree. What is not worthwhile though is pushing far enough above the diminishing returns point on IIQ/IIR such that clear speed suffers and you end up netting less wealth. Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Oct 26, 2015, 2:27:03 PM
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It's not about diminuishing returns. The people who tested this basicly got less rares when they went past a certain limit. It was actively detrimental except when they just pumped both IIQ and IIR to very high levels at which point while deiminishing returns were in effect, they were still gaining more rather than actively losing.
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" Is this the study you are referring to? Table 2 from that study shows that initial increases in IIQ provide the greatest benefit and then diminish in value as IIQ is increased, which is what we'd expect. Honestly though, I take that study with a grain of salt, as there are multiple points of possible mis-analysis. Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Oct 26, 2015, 3:52:29 PM
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Depends what you mean by speedrun.
If by speedrun you mean that you're skipping rares except for good bases and recipe items, then you're losing currency for no good reason. You don't need to burn all 6 portals, but you might as well just not MF if all you're going to do is recipes and raw drops. If by speedrun you mean running low-level maps and just murdering everything up to and including the boss, then gtfo'ing, yeah, that's acceptable. As long as you're still making portal trips as necessary along the way. As for Increased Item Quantity, I tested it out and personally I hate dropping the AoE gem. Despise it. That's my personal preference though. I'd rather get significantly greater coverage than extra IIQ. I understand that it's not ideal in terms of the C value balancing, but that's a sacrifice I'm personally willing to make. Mileage may vary for others. As for the diminishing returns discussion, adding the IIQ gem on its own isn't enough to hit that barrier. You'll be at roughly 70/320 or so in a finished build, and from what I understand from other discussions regarding the C value balance, the ratio of IIQ versus IIR where you start to see diminishing returns is roughly 1:4 (IIQ:IIR), meaning that we've got enough rarity (+20-40% or so) to make running 70% quantity worthwhile. It's when you get less than a 1:4 ratio (ie, 70:279 or less) where you're at a point where there isn't enough rarity to help improve what IIQ's doing. In practice, when I was running IIQ on my FB MF build before the prolif nerf, I noticed I was still seeing a net increase in rares and recipe completion at 70:320. So for what it's worth, in my experience if you want to drop AoE for IIQ... you can, without worrying about seeing less positive results. Jul 27, 2011 - Sept 30, 2018. Last edited by Serleth#4392 on Oct 26, 2015, 3:19:55 PM
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" Interesting. I've been running with small to very small AOE ever since I began using Poison Arrow. I compensate for small AOE by running with very high/capped pierce (most of us do this) and firing more arrows than I would with high area coverage. I've got a Carcass Jack in my inventory somewhere which I'll try out one of these days just to get a feel for high AOE. But right now I'm trying to complete all the Achievements (other than Cut-throat) and am having a devil of a time getting high level maps, lol. Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Oct 26, 2015, 6:00:48 PM
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" i prefer IIQ over IIR, since i am already getting 6 portals full of rare, there is no points in getting more rares xD i am even filtering out 2*4 and 2*3 items xD 2H/Bow/armor to make more room in my inventory xD this is why i prefer IIQ over IIR !! (as long as u dont drop the clearspeed!!) personnaly I dont rly see any clearspeed drop in using IIQ, espcially because i am clearspeeding low level map 75 and under for more 6s/unique/currency/jewelry recipe which i think is the main sources of income here, basically I dont vendor rares for alterations quite often i prefer speed running a 2nd map, for more currency drop and i often get more out of it it takes roughly the same time selling 4 more portals of rare than running 1/2 2nd map 4 more portal full of rare is roughly 8-10alts or (1c in standard), while running 1/2 of a second map i can clearly make more than 1c, !! SHOP : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/682434
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" Well just to be clear... There are 2 ways of getting more rares. 1) Increase IIR - doing this increases the fraction of total drops which will be rare. and/or 2) Increase IIQ - this will cause more stuff to drop. You'll get more rares because more stuff is dropping. So which is better? We're not sure, actually, but we assume that maximizing the C value will produce best results (other factors remaining equal). That said, there's a small additional benefit of IIQ over IIR in that IIQ also increases the amount of currency which drops - IIR has no effect on currency. But the amount of currency that drops is so low that you can largely ignore this when chosing between IIQ and IIR. Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Oct 26, 2015, 5:42:23 PM
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