State of the Beta - Post #6

Obviously the change IS intended to make existing GG items not the best anymore.

I'm curious though if removing mirrors and eternals too wouldn't be better in the long run though as you'll eventually will end up in the same situation as now where GG items get spread around through mirrors and crafting is mostly limited to extremely rich people who are the only ones that can afford the many eternals necessary to compete with those items.

This would also allow them to buff crafting as a great item couldn't be multiplied limitless anymore which ofc helps my selfish desire of making self-crafting viable compared to know where you're always better to trade instead of craft.

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Grindrix wrote:

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Genkai wrote:

Finally made my way through all the comments and I really have noticed the people that are upset are the guys capable of doing mirroring services with the weapon they have. In other words I think the only people complaining are the ones trying to sell using RMT, and now that I think about it this is the best change GGG's made in some time. Stamp out RMT for some time. :3

Easily the best change ever.

Thank you GGG, never stop!

doesn't really hurt them that much (most of them)

well not the top crafters at least.

so who are the most capable of crafting new items with new mods?

- current top crafters

nothing changes on that end of the cycle

the only thing that changes is the middle-upper pool of players who maybe have barely outfitted their characters or something with their first (secondhand?) mirrored item.
(but this also changes things where a weapon currently going for 220ex now would go for probably 20-40ex less)

its a change for sure and while the "new higher t1" crafts such as higher roll than tyrannical is in my opinion a bit of a stupid idea

the damage to spells is really nice

(new calculated damage of dagger axe / ancient blades) hit almost 1000 dps lol)

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lolozori wrote:

They see that change and giggle thinking about AXN or Ventor being butt hurt when in fact those changes only hurt the middle class (like in politics).

i didn't giggle, i was just disapproving his statment that every top level crafter complaining here is doing real money trades.

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lolozori wrote:

It also hurt the game balance.

what game balance?
when i started playing poe i did so because i saw that devs will never manage to balance it because of the huge skill tree and i loved it. being horrible imbalanced is the main feature of poe. imho a perfectly balanced game is a dead and boring game.

devs personal opinion on this is similar (jonathan in the previous frontseatgamer interview): they are never afraid to introduce new mechanics other gaming companies would never dream about implementing because of the consequences they might have (on balance and such).

ggg devs just do it and see how it works out and they have no hesitation whatsoever to correct it if it's harmful to the game.

i like that spirit. always did.

it's a free to play game, there are no customers. players only supported and ggg owes them nothing but delivering a game with ever changing challenges and entertainment. which they do.

Oh right as for my opinion on the whole mirror situation I personally find it stupid granted I highly highly doubt that the mirror items right now such as Glyph mark would be worthless compared to your average person and such.

Is it a kick to the balls to the dedicated standard user with all mirror type of worthy? Well yeah it is; Of course it is. It would be silly NOT say it isn't at all. 1000 ex worth could of went to the new new tier items granted it's been years anyway it won't be long til whatever his name is an the other rulers of trading make another batch of god tier mirror ready stuff to go to so it shouldn't really be a big deal to those who have a large sum of currency like I did and such.

I mean at least their not making everything totally worthless like they did in d3; That shit was hilarious like I remember a fucking friend buying a double manticore for 1.2k $ cause he was rich and he didn't a fuck haha then it became worthless.

Thankfully despite I think it's stupid I couldn't really care less due to well I don't exist in standard anymore.

Cant wait for the release! :)

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grant_m wrote:

Any item should only be capable of producing ONE exact copy. The ability to make infinite copies drives RMT more than any other thing in PoE.

If GGG truly hates RMT, they would fix 'mirroring' so that it is no longer broken.

Completely agree.
And this is the perfect time to do it.
100s of mirrored items will be less valuable and affordable for semi-rich middle class players.
New ones cannot be copied countless times so people will back to craft their own items again.

Current status:
- I really want to self-craft a good dagger, what do I need?
1) A good base item
2) At least a couple of thousands of Alt orbs, few hundred regals, 400-500 eternals and about same amount of exalted orbs.
I can buy a perfect mirrored one with 1/4 or 1/5 of that amount of currency.

Limit the copying to 1, stop legacy items and you will make perma-league economy a lot healthier.

Well, I don't know if I quit, I think I'll wait to see how these changes will impact the market and the game.
But, for sure, I will never support GGG again, in any ways. I simply cannot support people who said a thing (we'll not waste your efforts) and then do another (power creep with new top tiers).

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BurakUeda wrote:

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grant_m wrote:

Any item should only be capable of producing ONE exact copy. The ability to make infinite copies drives RMT more than any other thing in PoE.

If GGG truly hates RMT, they would fix 'mirroring' so that it is no longer broken.

Completely agree.
And this is the perfect time to do it.
100s of mirrored items will be less valuable and affordable for semi-rich middle class players.
New ones cannot be copied countless times so people will back to craft their own items again.

Current status:
- I really want to self-craft a good dagger, what do I need?
1) A good base item
2) At least a couple of thousands of Alt orbs, few hundred regals, 400-500 eternals and about same amount of exalted orbs.
I can buy a perfect mirrored one with 1/4 or 1/5 of that amount of currency.

Limit the copying to 1, stop legacy items and you will make perma-league economy a lot healthier.

:D
I think you underestimate the costs of crafting
1. Tyrannical/Emp/Flaring is somewhere around 1/1000 * T1 Suffix 1/300
2. + Et/Regal to hit T1 Prefix... the pool is smaller now, so something around 1/800
3. T1 Suffix 1/250
4. Add Cannot roll Caster Mod (Can be done after 1. if you have a spare T1 Prefix)
5. use 1000 Et/Ex to hit Emp

before the rarity tier change to flaring 3000ex was realistic, nowadays should be way more

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Ventor wrote:

I'm so glad i've been stockpiling exalts/eternals. Time to make some new 6/6 tier 1 items and slap 200 ex mirroring fee on them. Top KEK.

If they are willing to pay 200ex then they deserve to pay that much and can`t blame anyone for asking such a ludicrous amount. Me and my friends were thinking it would be nice if mirrors get removed and eternals become more common. I wouldn`t mind losing mine, could be awesome change.

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Darkaleb wrote:

Well, I don't know if I quit, I think I'll wait to see how these changes will impact the market and the game.
But, for sure, I will never support GGG again, in any ways. I simply cannot support people who said a thing (we'll not waste your efforts) and then do another (power creep with new top tiers).

That was chris saying in ZiggyD's session right?

Well we should have known better :)


Personally the fact how ppl treat crafters makes me even more sad - those guys offering you a service to get the best possible items in the game. Based on that you should be thanksfull to those ppl crafting such amazing items to provide them to you.
Maybe crafters should stop offering a service on their item, maybe u feel better than after all that hate and try to get there on your own.