The Awakening Item Page and Top-Tier Supporter Beta Access

You people are funny.

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Munion wrote:

If he wants to compete, he needs to do research.

No. If he wants to compete, he shouldn't be automatically at an disadvantage from others players. Yes he should eventually do research but that player shouldn't lose the race just because of it. It needs to be an equal level playing field.

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monkuar wrote:

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Munion wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

You're still missing the point.. Player 2 in my scenario has NO foreknowledge of the game whatsoever. Holy shit. How many times do I need to fucking explain this to you?

Ok then his loss is his own fucking fault.... If he want's to compete he needs to compete... This includes knowledge as you have so keenly pointed out. The knowledge is readily available to him. If he doesn't look this up, he is either a bad competitor and losing for this reason(not p2w), or he doesn't care about competing and thus does not care about p2w.

Yes, his loss is his fault but he was also at a DISADVANTAGE from the LEAGUE/RACE because other players gotten ahead of him because they had ACCESS BEFORE WITH THE BETA AND KNEW ABOUT IT!

WOW. HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO POST/SAY THIS? FUCK.

Access to a BETA means , boss stats, monster stats, skill bonus, skil stree, wont be the same for the final release because its A BETA not the final product GGG will give to us.
How do you get advantage when with 2 or 3 patch will destroy your damn build and experience in the final release?
Did you read when Chris said "this is not the final version of the game"?
Did you?

I have to agree with Monkuar. Unless the beta version is completely(100%)different from the release, someone exposed to the content will clearly have an advantage. It's impossible otherwise.

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sufferthegestalt wrote:

Access to a BETA means , boss stats, monster stats, skill bonus, skil stree, wont be the same for the final release because its A BETA not the final product GGG will give to us.
How do you get advantage when with 2 or 3 path your damn build and experience will be destroy in the final release?
Did you read when Chris said "this is not the final version of the game"?
Did you?

Yep because the monster AI will be re-done for every boss before release..

YEAH I BET LMAO.

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Benalishhero wrote:

I have to agree with Monkuar. Unless the beta version is completely(100%)different from the release, someone exposed to the content will clearly have an advantage. It's impossible otherwise.

This guy gets it.

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monkuar wrote:

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Munion wrote:

If he wants to compete, he needs to do research.

No. If he wants to compete, he shouldn't be automatically at an disadvantage from others players. Yes he should eventually do research but that player shouldn't lose the race just because of it. It needs to be an equal level playing field.

Well, that is literally impossible unless there was no beta regardless of a payed entry. If all players come in never having heard of a game or playing anything in that genre, or really any video game ever. Then you may, may, recreate the even playing field you describe. Good luck in your search for such balanced competition anywhere in the world.

*edit* for the record. I have always been responding to your vaal smash example. Of course playing the beta and getting a feel gives you an advantage of some1 who has never touched poe. But so does playing dialbo3 give you an advantage over some1 who has never played an ARPG.

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snaj wrote:

pay to win overpowered please nerf, Chris.

Diamond supporters get in before Ruler of Wraeclast, it has exactly nothing to do with p2w and everything to do with loyality and generosity on behalf of PoE supporters and GGG alike. Though I don't know why I need to tell you that.

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Xerker wrote:

Cybrix got a fucking key.. You know the kid that got banned for botting before..

Certainly, that cannot be. GGG takes RMT and botting very seriously.

(not really)

good on GGG for giving the major supporters something

should've just sold closed beta keys in the first place

it's like they hate money

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Benalishhero wrote:

I have to agree with Monkuar. Unless the beta version is completely(100%)different from the release, someone exposed to the content will clearly have an advantage. It's impossible otherwise.

Testing different stuff than they actually need to test makes sense.