The Awakening Item Page and Top-Tier Supporter Beta Access

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monkuar wrote:

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Munion wrote:

He still would have known about vaal smash, It has an extremely easy tell. None of the PoE fights are too hard mechanically to learn from a video. I guess you consider every beta with a payed key p2w then... I'm sorry then, that must really suck hating on so many games for doing something extremely common.

'He still would have known about vaal smash', Yea I'm curious where you grabbed this statement from? Out of thin air in the Himalayas? The player 2 WOULD HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE GAME. How would he KNOW abut the boss Mechanics? Your argument is literally worse than magic.

You're just throwing in random straws with no weight whatsoever, it's sad.

I guess you cant answer this, what about the NERF and BUFFS?
GGG said they wont keep these patch notes, they can change and ruin most common builds.
¿what about that?
where is the advantage?
you cant answer? or just being limited to stupid topics?

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sufferthegestalt wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

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Munion wrote:

He still would have known about vaal smash, It has an extremely easy tell. None of the PoE fights are too hard mechanically to learn from a video. I guess you consider every beta with a payed key p2w then... I'm sorry then, that must really suck hating on so many games for doing something extremely common.

'He still would have known about vaal smash', Yea I'm curious where you grabbed this statement from? Out of thin air in the Himalayas? The player 2 WOULD HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE GAME. How would he KNOW abut the boss Mechanics? Your argument is literally worse than magic.

You're just throwing in random straws with no weight whatsoever, it's sad.

I guess you cant answer this, what about the NERF and BUFFS?
GGG said they wont keep these patch notes, they can change and ruin most common builds.
¿what about that?
where is the advantage?
you cant answer? or just being limited to stupid topics?

That has nothing to do with / or involvement of Pay 2 Win or donation/supporter amount. It's irrelevant.

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monkuar wrote:

You're still missing the point.. Player 2 in my scenario has NO foreknowledge of the game whatsoever. Holy shit. How many times do I need to fucking explain this to you?

Ok then his loss is his own fucking fault.... If he want's to compete he needs to compete... This includes knowledge as you have so keenly pointed out. The knowledge is readily available to him. If he doesn't look this up, he is either a bad competitor and losing for this reason(not p2w), or he doesn't care about competing and thus does not care about p2w.

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monkuar wrote:

How does a streamers build being nerfed have any relevance to how closed beta players have an advantage? Please explain.

Because HAVOK is the number 1 hardcore player and if he explore a new META, everybody will do the same.
Its the same with every single TOP 5 player.

All the BUILDS can be CHANGE, CAN BE NERF, CAN BE BUFF, IF GGG DECIDE TO.

NOTHING WILL REMAIN LIKE THIS.
THATS WHY IS A BETA AND NOT A FULL RELEASE

¿DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES GGG CHANGE THE SKILL BONUS IN A FULL RELEASE VERSION?
It will be worse is its a BETA.

Nothing will remain like this.

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Munion wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

You're still missing the point.. Player 2 in my scenario has NO foreknowledge of the game whatsoever. Holy shit. How many times do I need to fucking explain this to you?

Ok then his loss is his own fucking fault.... If he want's to compete he needs to compete... This includes knowledge as you have so keenly pointed out. The knowledge is readily available to him. If he doesn't look this up, he is either a bad competitor and losing for this reason(not p2w), or he doesn't care about competing and thus does not care about p2w.

Yes, his loss is his fault but he was also at a DISADVANTAGE from the LEAGUE/RACE because other players gotten ahead of him because they had ACCESS BEFORE WITH THE BETA AND KNEW ABOUT IT!

WOW. HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO POST/SAY THIS? FUCK.

Munion/suffer/everyone else with a brain:

Give up on him. I had pretty much this same exact exchange with him in like the mid-40s pages.

He won't listen, can't accept anything than his point of view. Time to move on!

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Archwizard wrote:

Munion/suffer/everyone else with a brain:

Give up on him. I had pretty much this same exchange exchange with him in like the mid-40s pages.

He won't listen, can't accept anything than his point of view. Time to move on!

It's not my point of view. It's objective fact..

If you are in closed beta you gain a advantage over others who never had access at launch. Whether or not it's || this much or | xxx | this much.

Now, move along you offer nothing to this discussion.

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monkuar wrote:

You're still missing the point.. Player 2 in my scenario has NO foreknowledge of the game whatsoever. Holy shit. How many times do I need to fucking explain this to you?

Except you do have the knowledge stupid. Supporters being in beta doesn't mean that you have had your memory erased. Act 4 won't change gameplay, it will still be the same thing you played over and over again in the past versions except with slightly different mobs.

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Chairnick wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

You're still missing the point.. Player 2 in my scenario has NO foreknowledge of the game whatsoever. Holy shit. How many times do I need to fucking explain this to you?

Except you do have the knowledge stupid. Supporters being in beta doesn't mean that you have your memory erased. Act 4 won't change gameplay, it will still be the same thing you played over and over again in the past versions except with slightly different mobs.

No it wont. New bosses, new maps, new dungeons, new items, new monster/boss AI to learn, etc all play a role.

Holy shit. How are you this dense?

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monkuar wrote:

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Munion wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

You're still missing the point.. Player 2 in my scenario has NO foreknowledge of the game whatsoever. Holy shit. How many times do I need to fucking explain this to you?

Ok then his loss is his own fucking fault.... If he want's to compete he needs to compete... This includes knowledge as you have so keenly pointed out. The knowledge is readily available to him. If he doesn't look this up, he is either a bad competitor and losing for this reason(not p2w), or he doesn't care about competing and thus does not care about p2w.

Yes, his loss is his fault but he was also at a DISADVANTAGE from the LEAGUE/RACE because other players gotten ahead of him because they had ACCESS AND KNEW ABOUT!

WOW. HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO POST/SAY THIS? FUCK.

If he wants to compete, he needs to do research. If he dies to a mechanic he didn't know about, but the info is all over, that is his fault. It is not the fault of a beta with payed access. Every single player in the game has access to this information. If he wants to race day1 against the people from beta, he knows he needs to know boss mechanics. Therefore he watched fights and has knowledge. If he wants to compete blindly with 0 knowledge of content, he is intentionally handicapping himself and has no right to complain when losing. Seriously you don't get it, competive player SHOULD NOT come in with no knowledge when knowledge is available. I'm not saying playing the game beforehand doesn't help you be better. I'm saying any1 trying to compete would know about fucking VAAL SMASH before the boss fight, regardless of having played beta.

*edit* i suppose they don't have access to the info if they live somewhere twitch/youtube is blocked for some reason...