A potential change I'm keen to hear your thoughts on
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That original post is the reason why this is a hotly debated topic and not an open and shut case. For every person who knows how to play and is tackling end game content who knows the new EB is broken there is another person running around the base game with 187 mana regen and lvl 17 AA who has never done a high level map or atziri who likes the change. Keep PoE2 Difficult.
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I was just wondering what would happen if you took EB and Blood magic passives from the skill tree with this new implementation. Would it cover the Es for mana and back to protecting life ? or would it still cover the non existent mana .. also if so would it consume es before life ? I am not sure if this question was raised in past 80 pages but its a bit tedious work to check. Edit : clarification. chaotic neutral Last edited by nubmoj#7397 on Apr 22, 2015, 4:27:00 AM
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" To my understanding taking the current version of EB doesn't give mana at all, it switches you're es from protecting life to mana instead, and allows you to spend the es like it was mana, it never turns it into mana, so 2 separate regen pools "ES/Mana"...taking the blood magic passive would leave you with no es over you're life, but over you're mana, or lack there of and you would spend that es like mana, and thats it when it's gone...unless you regen it with Zealots O., leech it with Ghost R., or I believe there is ES on hit jeweler's so I hear. So far I haven't seen any streamers talk good about it or actually try it, ZiggyD used for a brief period and quickly switched back saying it would only be good for a few select builds, otherwise not so much for most builds in it's current state. I am hoping it gets scraped! Id Rather them nerf MoM to 20% than mess with something thats been the way it has been for ages now, but one can only hope! If they still don't like EB, then put a less mod on it. Like 25% - 35% or something, anything but this...imo! Last edited by justinmm1988#6504 on Apr 22, 2015, 4:03:50 AM
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the fact that it would have some niche uses and some of these are probably still unknown, i feel like it would be a shame to just ditch it completely as an idea, but id like to see it not be EB. i feel like if it was its own thing you could adjust it in ways that wouldnt need to accomidate some of the current EB functionality and let it be more viable to provide something different, cause ultimately it is different and it would seem like the sort of builds and play style that would result from it would be entirely alternative. People using EB right now are often not going ton take this keystone and are going to have to try and replicate the current EB just through excessive investment in mana and regen imo.
I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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"Hey lets kill two best (only?) defenses for casters ! they are too sturdy !"
*moving CoD to vendor tier* First they killed meele, now its time for casters. Better prepare my bow build. |
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How do you even sustain non-selfcast spells with this newly ruined EB? 6-Link traps, mines and totems can easily cost 200+ mana and you can place multiple per second. You can't dampen the mana cost with Spell Echo and you can't use Mana Leech or leech to your ES with Ghost Reaver. Never mind the new unique staff that lets you lay 7-link mines with insane speed resulting in 800-1000+ mana consumption per second, could hardly sustain that with even q20 Reduced Mana and Conc Effect. BM could work for totems as it has since they are the one of the three that can build in the vicinity of BM.
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" The new EB is not worthless, it is just worthless for spell casters. It will be a fantastic new way for melee/archer to run lots of auras, due to the extremely low mana cost of their abilities, getting zealots oath and 1-2 life regen nodes will give melee/archers a new way to run many auras. Unfortunately, spell casters will not have this option, due to the extremely high mana cost of spells GGG needs to rename the new EB to something that has to do with melee/archer and auras, and move it away from the witch tree. Last edited by Khoranth#3239 on Apr 22, 2015, 7:31:23 AM
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" I want to keep bumping posts like this. Exactly. MoM + AA is not overpowered! The defenses just do not compare to what builds in other areas of the tree can do, and that's ok to some extent considering that most casters play at range, so if they're good at manually dodging they can get by (not as easily as archers, though, with their higher movement speeds and Phase Acro). What's not ok is that there aren't many decent defensive caster uniques to compete with Cloak. We have: -CI Incandescent Heart, which is really expensive to build around -Pledge of Hands, which is also expensive but makes it easier to spec Acro while running AA -Cloak of Flame could be awesome, but the ES on it sucks -Lightning Coil is an option, but caster colors can be hard to roll and it has no ES -Carcass Jack is sexy for AoE and decent ES, but it's not generally used for its defenses What's also not ok is that to get far with a caster, you can't just slap on rares and be good to go. It's usually futile for casters in the north to stack armour (outside of Aegis builds), evasion, endurance charges, regen... You need some enabling uniques to feel good about your build, especially in HC. So what's left that's comparatively cheap and offers at least some defense while synergizing with caster builds? Cloak of Defiance. The EB change might have some interesting applications, but it really bothers me that it's described as a way to fix "AA/MoM defense being too high for too low a cost". Are we playing the same game? I think the wrong problem is being targeted. Dreamfeather Elemental Cleave Ranger: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1087616 Last edited by Tempada#2630 on Apr 22, 2015, 7:36:57 AM
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" I think GGG confused "being too good" with "the only option that does not cost 1000 exalted" |
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