[HLD] Elemental damage all forms

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

Dont even argue with him, never seen him in PvP before. Also a guildmate of mine that had the best ci flicker ever, tried dual dagger this patch and did insane damage, so Ya. Dmg isn't the problem of dual wield, survivability is.

Yeah I quit this game for almost a year, now I'm back. Never said dmg was a problem, can you guys actually read what I write?

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lllllDethkloklllll wrote:

LOL you sure dont read do you? My sword is 760 pdps it only has 4 mods that do anything for my RT build and it sure as hell isnt mirrored. Also everyone knows how good range is... Guts has the 2h weapon with the most range... I thought your answer for everything was "use a disfavor"? But I have a sword with 175 more pdps and less range and suddenly disfavor isnt good enough to beat me?

I was CI crit dagger in 1.2 and people would try to use knockback and frostwall vs me all the time. You can negate knockback with proper gear and frostwall dosnt stop WB or Flicker or any attack that pierces.

Also since your new to PvP ill help you out... You dont need kaoms roots or a 1000ex chest to stop knock back

I bought 10 of these at 2ex a piece and corrupted them until I got this one.

760 pdps isn't that far from a mirrored sword. It's still worth hell of a lot more than disfavour. However the difference in range is still less than between a dagger and disfavour. Yeah you can use those shoes, and lose 600es or more. Also, I guarantee you it normally takes more than 10. Not everyone has your luck lol Playing CI crit dagger in 1.2 was a joke. I remember just 1 shotting people with flicker a year ago. Everyone knows it was imba then, but the truth is now crit dagger vs 2h rt is closer than ever.

EDIT: forgot to counter your point, a life 2h rt is still going to have a ton more movespeed (+20% from helm, +30% from shoes) so even without knockback he can cyclone away from you and you still can't do shit.

I dunno, saw guts in sarn was hoping for some 1v1s. We were alone often and I did what I said I would. Even me using bcr when I wouldn't have to in 1v1 I dropped him free. He has more room to work in Sarn plus I was taking focus fired arctic breath,arcs,puncture arrows and static strikes from 1-4 ppl at once while killing him. Given that, I'm going to have to say in 1v1....wouldn't even be a duel.

Oh and knock back is worthless. It doesn't interrupt actions just moves you. Only good KB is frostwall because its an obstruction too. That is also a mute issue vs piercing ranged attacks.
On the subject of DMG and survivability

If you have say for example 2 melee or a melee and a caster (they like to melee with spells BC sucky players) .

1 melee has 10k life either HP or es
Does 1000 DMG per hit

2nd melee has 5k life but
Does 3000 per hit in the same amount of time or faster

2nd melee will win, that's the 2h vs crit 1h/dagger scenario.

Add caster to the mix and there is no compromise between life and DMG nor speed.

Its 10k life at 3000+ per hit at the same or faster rate x multiple sources. So kids who would win in this scenario? Hmm...tough one.

Other examples would be kevshienz, ci 1h sword

Numbers are more like 6-8k es and easy 5000-9000dmg per hit in PvP..after penalties. Or ci dagger pushing north of 10k es while still doing huge DMG and having block. While 2h HP rt is notoriously weak DPs wise and is supposed to be Joe bad ass soley based on legacy kaoms and 8-10k HP pools...well that's a pretty poor assumption. Sure these examples don't factor in block,dodge and are pretty elementary but its already been proven that damage = survivability as much as defenses does...if not far more so. Especially in this game. Also pretty obvious having access to both top tier DMG and survivability is only exclusive to HP based acro bow users, ci dagger or es caster. Due to crit ramping DMG up through the roof and all the other perks,options,tree freedom/location. 2h is not...on that lvl. Even crit staff 2h with acro is relatively shitty.

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

Also a guildmate of mine that had the best ci flicker ever, tried dual dagger this patch and did insane damage, so Ya. Dmg isn't the problem of dual wield, survivability is.

If even the best CI flicker ever has to go dual wield in order to do insane dmg, then melee crit builds are not that op as many here make them out to be.

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candoerfer wrote:

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

Also a guildmate of mine that had the best ci flicker ever, tried dual dagger this patch and did insane damage, so Ya. Dmg isn't the problem of dual wield, survivability is.

If even the best CI flicker ever has to go dual wield in order to do insane dmg, then melee crit builds are not that op as many here make them out to be.

He was, now he's just trying dual dagger for fun

Dual wielding doesn't really make you better then 1h haha. I did it for the asthetics and fact I never liked shields in any game. Sure 2x daggers is a nice boost to crit chance and you get the passive DW bonuses and triple dipping weapon,1h and DW nodes but let's not pretend its some godlike spec or miles above 1h/shield for melee.

1h crit is as good as ppl say and is that much better then 2h. I've been saying 1h crit > 2h fooorever but until ppl stop getting wrecked by bad 2hs or start learning how to 1h..it won't be noticed. I keep using my budget shadow as an example to prove this, I can slap a shield on in place of my 2nd dagger and win just as easily. Patches ago I had a bor and a sword I found 200dps, threw them on my rt 2h marauder with a crest shield and was beating real 1h/shield specs with it cyclone vs cyclone. I just don't understand how ppl are losing with mirrored gear....it's pretty funny.