[ LLD ] Swords are way too good compared to other melee bases

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

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kevshien wrote:

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MullaXul wrote:

This is another good example of LLD balance that will really really fuck with HLD.

Honestly there's literally no 1h sword/board builds in hld 'cept me, hurhurrr durrr...

There is actually

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MullaXul wrote:

Really though sword nodes on either side of the tree based on character design isn't breaking the balance. Axes and maces get good nodes and free reign to move around the tree taking universal 1h/2h nodes/attack speed/life just like anyone else does. Things like 1h axe having range 5 vs swords range 6/7 is an issue. Things like sword having block reduction nodes as 1h, is a problem.

1h sword range 6, axe 6
remove 1h block reduction
give 2h a universal block reduction cluster for sword/axe/mace

Now onto mace itself, it will be very hard to make mace viable in as many match ups as axe can be. Due to the fact its strengths revolve around stuns and stun is almost a mute point in over 80% of the matches you'll play.

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kevshien wrote:

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MullaXul wrote:

Really though sword nodes on either side of the tree based on character design isn't breaking the balance. Axes and maces get good nodes and free reign to move around the tree taking universal 1h/2h nodes/attack speed/life just like anyone else does. Things like 1h axe having range 5 vs swords range 6/7 is an issue. Things like sword having block reduction nodes as 1h, is a problem.

1h sword range 6, axe 6
remove 1h block reduction
give 2h a universal block reduction cluster for sword/axe/mace

Now onto mace itself, it will be very hard to make mace viable in as many match ups as axe can be. Due to the fact its strengths revolve around stuns and stun is almost a mute point in over 80% of the matches you'll play.

Hmm, me thinks keep the sword block reduction cluster, else there's no incentive to using swords at all. Axes just got their own little special cluster with Onslaught buffs n stuff, take away sword block reduction and it has nothing left, except an embarassingly low 5% to cause bleed on Razor's Edge.

Picture this too, technically to 'pierce or penetrate' block you'd need something pointy and sharp like a rapier. Giving 2h weapons extra block reduction wouldn't make as much sense because the bigger a weapon, the easier it is to block it (imagine batting an incoming softball vs a pebble). Crushing blows is what I would suggest, where 2h weapons deal extra damage to shield-wielders, coz practically the impact from a heavy weapon would cause damage even if blocked.

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MullaXul wrote:

This is another good example of LLD balance that will really really fuck with HLD.

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MullaXul wrote:

Really though sword nodes on either side of the tree based on character design isn't breaking the balance. Axes and maces get good nodes and free reign to move around the tree taking universal 1h/2h nodes/attack speed/life just like anyone else does. Things like 1h axe having range 5 vs swords range 6/7 is an issue. Things like sword having block reduction nodes as 1h, is a problem.

1h sword range 6, axe 6
remove 1h block reduction
give 2h a universal block reduction cluster for sword/axe/mace

Now onto mace itself, it will be very hard to make mace viable in as many match ups as axe can be. Due to the fact its strengths revolve around stuns and stun is almost a mute point in over 80% of the matches you'll play.

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MullaXul wrote:

Range is only a factor when considering 2h Tommie. 1h sword > axe in every facet but damage. I know Kev is sword and doesn't want to see it get brutalized but it is the best 1h weapon type next to dagger.

Sword is also the 2nd best critical 1h option behind dagger.

Axe and mace are pretty much restricted to going RT or forking out serious amounts of time/exalts to make a worth while crit build. This is likely to offset the fact they have much higher base damage output. In PvP we know that doesn't mean shit though.

I just don't see how 1h weapons of any type can "pierce" block chance. Unless you're really really using your imagination and pretending you're using thrust attacks with your rapier and other stuff. Only shield crushing 1h weapon is a really blunt one like a ball and chain. When even in the real world 2h weapons (all,sword/mace/staff/axe) that hit a shield, fuck shields up and fuck up the guys arm holding the shield and "crush" block.