Support.

Mark explained this perfectly and it was basically common sense. I like it like this because someone who goes out of their way to never break the rules isn't going to get slammed with a long punishment the first time he does something wrong. The person who knowingly keeps doing things wrong is going to get what he deserves. It makes perfect sense, don't really get why anyone would be against that.

Also it wasn't a good idea to start comparing forum behavior to death penalties in a video game. They are obviously different and can't be directly compared as has already been explained.

Hey, in PoE it is allowed to slay my enemies. So in real life it should be allowed too right?.......

I am really sorry for Mark having wasted his time.

However I am really grateful for his second post, it really pins it down to the core.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I find it utterly bizarre and irrational that GGG takes the time to try to explain this to people. If you don't get it, a few words from Support isn't going to change you. If anything, they should try to contact the offending player's parents and ask them what they were doing instead of parenting.

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I think the question comes down to "Do you believe in rehabilitation"?

Personally, I feel that rehabilitation is possible in some scenarios. As an example, someone who has driven whilst under the influence of alcohol may be able to recognise the impact of their behaviour and, with support, ensure they do not make the same decision again. This is somewhat analogous to a person commenting "Well you're a f&cktard that only plays scr*bcore and your momma is a ho LOL"

On the other hand, a paedophile terrorist who jaywalks is unlikely to be able to be rehabilitated. This is somewhat analogous to people trolling about fishing.

:)

Yes. I like any concepts promoting positive views towards the player.
When a player keeps writing "First" on every thread. Authority will always believe on the player ability to stop that behavior.
Now if a player did something that deserves a small probation, and did it many times; 'Authority' should always have a positive view on the player. If he keeps doing it then he should only receive the small probation again and again and again, no need to punish the fact he is not listening to the intruction "Please stop that behavior, it is becoming annoying" (Hence, the 'feelings' Support has, i was talking about.)
They need to believe on the player ability to stop that behavior by himself.
Now could you elaborate and apply your idea to this forum?

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Can I recommend that the BANNED/PROBATED users are offered complimentary (and mandatory) counselling sessions, and are required to undertake restorative justice processes with their victims?

Develop your point.

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Cergic wrote:

So you want people, when writing on the forum, to recieve let's say a 3 day probation for anything, nothing More nor Less?

Only no more.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

Hey, in PoE it is allowed to slay my enemies. So in real life it should be allowed too right?.......

Good one. I wonder if anyone has been able to see the similarity i was talking about, though.

Check the screenshot i posted on my previous comment again.

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iamstryker wrote:

Mark explained this perfectly and it was basically common sense.

A lot of "Common sense" is plain BS.

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Nightmare90 wrote:

I am really sorry for Mark having wasted his time.

Jealous?
Deal with it.

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This thread is my honest opinion, if


*Some of you want to mock my idea: you can, but you are going against GGG's forum good harmony.
*Some of you do not listen to what i wanted to share: Okay you can continue, but be ready to suffer the consequences of it. Can't wait to see some famous players becoming angry at stupid 'prior infractions' system giving them long probation for nothing.

If someone agrees with the general idea of my thread, say it. Cuz i can't contain the following brain-washed happy players who think if Mark's post has clarity then it must be Common sense!

I am still against Support responding to "more wrong"(Let's say not listening to an instruction is something that has to be punished, following mark's logic) with more punishement.

It is as simple as the following:

<Not following an instruction: "Stop doing X and getting probated for it." must not be punished>
Doing X can be punished ofc.
Those are 2 different things.

Edit:

Why? Because it is counterproductive!
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/191262/ Start at 12:55

Listen OP: Please stop your vague BS reasoning.

Dev is completely right and shouldnt even respond to your WTF OP post.

Your statement in OP is completely false: Of course that quote is correct, everybody with common sense agrees with that quote except some baby who cannot stand that he's been put on probation.

You're don't even have the balls to tell the community what has happened and why you have been put on probation.

Let me quote some of your most hilarious BS reasoning just for fun:

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This needs to be changed. Discuss

I don't discuss unmotivated statements.

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Continue doing something wrong does not make the "something" more wrong.
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It simply does not deserve a punishement.

Yes it does

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Support must not have feelings

They don't give a rat's ass about putting some annoying kid that won't listen on probation a little longer, trust me

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Do you make the exp penalty worse each time a player dies the same way?

You're now going to compare somebody who's dying in game to somebody misbehaving? Wow

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Not good for GGG nor for a forum user mental health.

Maybe not for your mental health...

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Rules of surviving Area 23 are similar to Forum guidelines.

Pffffff, really?

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"Desobeying intructions is a part of forum life and forum users are and should be free to desobey as much as they want".

Sure, but expect a probation ;)

This will be the last quote, I'll stop right there, I cannot take it anymore really. You seriously took the time to draw this to explain a totally misplaced argument comparing somebody who's dying to somebody's that misbehaving. OMG, you should be banned permanently for this.

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Here is what i am trying to say: http://postimg.org/image/87sdx9ep9/

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Startkabels wrote:

Listen OP: Please stop your vague BS reasoning.

Dev is completely right and shouldnt even respond to your WTF OP post.

Your statement in OP is completely false: Of course that quote is correct, everybody with common sense agrees with that quote except some baby who cannot stand that he's been put on probation.

I do not believe in the "this is common sense" agrument. Just stop it.

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You're don't even have the balls to tell the community what has happened and why you have been put on probation.

What balls you are talking about? Forum balls? ha...ha.
A lot of players know me here don't worry. The "inex" part of my name says a lot.

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Let me quote some of your most hilarious BS reasoning just for fun:

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This needs to be changed. Discuss

I don't discuss unmotivated statements.

Yet you are doing it?

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Continue doing something wrong does not make the "something" more wrong.
...
It simply does not deserve a punishement.

Yes it does

Okay let's say "Yes it does"
Can you enlarge your view a little? It's not simply about applying 'common sense' it's about WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR THIS FORUM?

Do you want players to imporve or do you want to apply forum guidelines? Because.. forum guidelines are 'the good'
Religious(dogmatic way) much?

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Support must not have feelings

They don't give a rat's ass about putting some annoying kid that won't listen on probation, trust me

Yeah i know that.
Feelings i am talking about is support wanting players to improve with 'more punishement' while i would support positive feelings : Wanting players to imporove with 'more discussion, more patience and less punishement'

is not that common sense? Jesus..

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Not good for GGG nor for a forum user mental health.

Maybe not for your mental health...

And? We are all humans.

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Rules of surviving Area 23 are similar to Forum guidelines.

Pffffff, really?

Check the screenshot i made.

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"Desobeying intructions is a part of forum life and forum users are and should be free to desobey as much as they want".

Sure, but expect a probation ;)

Exactly :)
Not more than a regular probation every time though ;)

How funny would it be if op got on prohibition? Beyond the fact you're clearly in the minority, it's not going to change because you want it to. Mark explained in wonderful detail how it works, of you can't grasp that, that's your issue.

I still say its common sense to increase punishment on someone who purposely ignores the rules. Someone who broke a rule 100 times deserves more than someone who did it once or twice. This protects the person who wants to follow the rules and punishes those who don't care.

What exactly is wrong with that?

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iamstryker wrote:

I still say its common sense to increase punishment on someone who purposely ignores the rules. Someone who broke a rule 100 times deserves more than someone who did it once or twice. This protects the person who wants to follow the rules and punishes those who don't care.

What exactly is wrong with that?

Not believing in the ability of the user to get better.