[2.1 Ghazzy - Summoner Guides] Low Budget Builds

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Before I go on I want to make sure two things are considered while reading my post:

1. I'm not trolling. I'm trying to understand why someone who claims 15 million DPS has a longer time to kill on uber Atziri than someone claiming 3 million.

2. I'm ignoring the fact that spirits expire and die since Cast on Crit is subject to evasion, which affects both chance to hit and check against critting, and that the Cast on Crit gem does not always proc the maximum number of spells.

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MatrixFactor wrote:

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Natharias wrote:

Shatter Chuck can one-shot Uber Atziri and claims 3 million DPS.

GhazzyTV claims 15 million DPS with raging spirits, but takes longer to kill Atziri.

Since when was 3 million greater than 15 million?

Can you show us your calculations? Cause I'm calling bullshit.

These DPS numbers are against 0 resist. Also SRS has a ramp up time, so we are never actually doing peak DPS. That said, with GG gear, two +18% min dmg corrupts, anger-hatred-generosity, vaal haste, haste, quad curse, and EE against monsters with no resists this build should be able to hit 6.5M single target DPS. With shock that's 6.5*1.5=9.75M. 2M DPS with splash (1 curse, no shock) is more realistic, which means that for 1sec fights we have the equivalent of 60k DPS, and for 2sec fights about 230k DPS.

Shatter Chuck two or three shot uber Atziri with a weaker version of his build. Claiming about 2 million DPS at that time, if I recall correctly. Now with mirrored gear he claims 3 million DPS. Most of his damage comes from elemental sources, so resistances are at least 75% on Atziri. No real penetration linked in.

Ghazzy claims 15 million DPS, and now you're saying 6.5 million. In his video he avoids most of the ramp up time by pre-casting, and even then it takes much, much longer than SC's video. Keep in mind that this is an older version of SC that has a weaker setup.

I don't believe that this has any more than 2.5 million DPS.

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Ghazzy wrote:

As i've mentioned several times on my livestream, the DPS is a peak DPS calculated vs 0 armour, 0 resist just like 95% of all other build threads on the forums. Also, it is during our peak DPS with Vaal Haste and peaked SRS ammount.

I don't watch your streams. I don't watch anyone's streams for that matter. I watch a few videos from time to time. I also viewed your video using the high budget version.

Ramp up time is not important. You pre-casted your spirits. So your DPS is just about full on when you engage Atziri. Yet you still deal damage slower than Shatter Chuck's. Yes I'm aware that spirits can die and that they expire, but if it is at such a rate that you lose DPS, you should show that in your build. Claiming 15 million DPS and underperforming compared to a build claiming 3 million does not shine well on you at all.

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Ghazzy wrote:

The thread is updated and yes, it is still doing more DPS than any other build in the game, but just like matrix also wrote, it is all about the ramp-time, only times we are doing peaked DPS is when we've pre-casted our spirits just like we do on the actual boss fights. However, bosses have resistances like any other enemies in the game.

Let's assume Atziri has 75% flat resistance to all damage across the board. Your supposed 15 million drops to 3.75 million. This is still more than what SC claims. He is still killing faster than you.

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Ghazzy wrote:

Reason why the DPS is calculated vs 0 armour & 0 resist, is because of the fact that we can not show you a cool tooltip DPS as a summoner.

Everyone calculates just the damage they deal, not their unmitigated damage. I'm fully aware of this. Nobody needs to keep beating the corpse about it.

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Ghazzy wrote:

However, the DPS was calculated by a viewer of mine who sent me spreadsheets that i had posted on the forum. It's been brought to my attention that there has been some calculation misstakes and that with GG gear the peak DPS should realistically be around 9 Mil DPS, this is without the risk of getting Vaaled min dmg that matrixfactor is refering to in his latest response shown above.

I would say some major mistakes, unless losing spirits due to time and damage are more substantial than you and I might think.

Ghazzy is a summoner and Shatter chuck is a ranged/spellcaster. Its the same as if trying to compare melee vs ranged. It just doesnt add up the same way. You have to consider AI, the fact that evasion vs accuracy also plays a roll for SRS (bigger than you might think) which isnt calculateable, which SC actually was able to do (and did) and the fact that atziri doesnt have 75% flat resistance, tho this doesnt matter shit. Its still trying to compare a summoner to a ranged char, and trust me, someone who plays a lot of different strong builds, summoners have way more unreliable dps. My storm caller (which is known as a shit crappy clearing spell), which had 40k dps beats my LL BM Summoner with 140k floor dps in clearing.

Yeah my build (no anger, but double curse with +25% curse effect) hits about 2.1M peak dps against atziri, and that's without accuracy considered. I think spirits have a chance to hit in the 70-80% range, so in reality it's probably 2.1M*0.7=1.35M PEAK dps.

Also Natharias, it takes 6.5sec of precasting to reach peak, which is possible at the vaals but not at the atziri clones. If you want to compare peak DPS you need to look at the vaal section.

Noob question
Would a 6l with srs-melee phys damage-melee splash-multistrike-spellecho-added fire
Give more damage than a
5l with +2 fire gems(removing added fire damage from above mentioned)

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fakeThranduil wrote:

Noob question
Would a 6l with srs-melee phys damage-melee splash-multistrike-spellecho-added fire
Give more damage than a
5l with +2 fire gems(removing added fire damage from above mentioned)

Well, let's include some numbers in that case:

+2 fire gems gives us:
lvl 22 srs 356-533 = 444.5 avg dmg
lvl 20 srs 293-438 = 365.5 avg dmg

an increase of 444.5/365.5 = 21.6%.

Added fire gives us 39% from the gem, but we have to consider we also get added cold already, so our effective increase will be less than that, because we need to do 39+hatred+100%/hatred+100%. For this to come down to a number of increase lower than 21.6% hatred needs to be just slightly under 100% added cold (for illustration, 100% increase from hatred gives: 239%/200%=119.5% = 19.5% increase, but since hatred reaches (from the top of my head) 73.5% added cold at lvl 20 and max aura effect from the tree, you can see added fire will always give more than 21.6% bonus, and thus the 6link is better

TL;DR: Numbers say the 6link with added fire. A 5link +3 will be about on par, but better due to investment reasons (for the 6link addition of empower obviously)

There are several statements i've made of how much more effecient a handful of other builds are, SC included. Compared to the SRS in terms of clearing speed. As matrix states we can 100% of the times reach peak DPS during the Vaal boss. But we can in most situations get that 6.65 sec pre-cast on clone phase Atziri as well.
I've changed added fire for Phys dmg on full life instead to provide with even higher DPS gain.


Not to mention the fact that we don't have regen nor leech as (if i'm not wrong) all the other top builds have. The difference; Summoners are more fun to play (imo)!

Build will be much more interesting with a Shield and instead of a staff to use