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Fujira wrote:
Thanks for the input but survivability is much more important to me. I did as I said I would and changed to blood rage + determination/grace which gives me 53% flat reduction without endurance or pots together with 57/61 block while sustaining 20k dps. That is without any of the axe dmg nodes yet. I don't really like cleave either and the tool tip dps is a bit misleading compared to melee splash with dual strike, but that's just my preference :)
Do keep in mind that I play Beyond so one mistake or similar is enough.
Well, the stats that would change in your case by switching to BoR are -
You loose :
- cca 200 armour
- cca 700 evasion
- depends if BoR is legacy in case its not you loose around 70 stat HP. With legacy BoR, you loose much less eva and armour, your HP stays intact.
You gain:
- Blind (50% chance to miss) - additionally lowered accuracy by using enfeeble
- Much more dps (around 28k)
- 15% block
- chance of getting endurance charge on block
Well, except for the HP, other cons can be easily solved by using determination + grace, HP is the only downside, but can again be solved by getting legacy BoR.
I have no idea how you actually managed to loose dps when switching to BoR (yes, the skill gems in BoR get a lower lvl, but BoR also adds 20-30 phys dmg which is huge). 15% additional block chance is not a minimal improvement, it's actually huge, and also leaves you with the oportunity to refund the block nodes to something else, mainly HP or DPS, whatever you feel you need more.
Otherwise the gain from switching to BoR is huge, I would dare to say that switching to BoR in your case would make your char much more defensive than running a helmet+chest combo. Well, at least until you manage to find yourself a killer chest + helmet with high eva/armour stats on it.
Solving ele res is easy with rings + belts.
Edit: By choosing acrobatics and spell dodge, armour rate isn't so important since you loose 50% of it anyway, but phys reduction gets solved anyway, since you will be running around with a 10sec IC anyway. :)
Sorry but there are so many assumptions and errors in this post.
People always say that BoR is a 7L, but its not a 7L. First of all Melee phys and FA are lvl 18 and 12, blind is lvl 6. And that is with 0% QUALITY. Its a huge dps-loss compared to a 6L WoE with all 20 quality gems on lvl 20.
And about Legacy BoR you can forget that completely, there is no legacy BoR in Beyond and if there ever will be almost no one will be able to afford it.
The loss of 5-700 hp and total reduction with IR due to loss of evasion/armor to me seems not worth it, and that is why I decided to sell my BoR and get items with high hp/armor-evasion and chaos resistance.
And my variation of the build is a HC-build, I care very little about what is possible in standard or rampage or any other league. Chaos resistance is huge in beyond for example.
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Posted byFujira#6139on Sep 10, 2014, 6:38:29 AM
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And my variation of the build is a HC-build, I care very little about what is possible in standard or rampage or any other league. Chaos resistance is huge in beyond for example.
Could you direct me to your build?
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Posted byTisca#1578on Sep 10, 2014, 7:04:09 AM
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Fujira wrote:
And my variation of the build is a HC-build, I care very little about what is possible in standard or rampage or any other league. Chaos resistance is huge in beyond for example.
Could you direct me to your build?
It is in the FAQ-section of the first post, the tree im using is same as the mana based version posted.
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Posted byFujira#6139on Sep 10, 2014, 7:18:27 AM
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Fujira wrote:
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Tisca wrote:
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Fujira wrote:
And my variation of the build is a HC-build, I care very little about what is possible in standard or rampage or any other league. Chaos resistance is huge in beyond for example.
Could you direct me to your build?
It is in the FAQ-section of the first post, the tree im using is same as the mana based version posted.
Thx. How important is the Dynamo cluster? Do you need it for two 60% auras with Sovereignty?
I'm considering Sovereignty but right now I'm running 5L and 85% aura. All mana leech comes from ammy.
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Posted byTisca#1578on Sep 10, 2014, 8:06:17 AM
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To be honest I haven't tried playing without it. As of now i started running grace/determination with blood rage & removed my life leech in favor of added fire in my 6L.
Thats because I was able to get 18 positive chaos res, before that blood rage felt a little sketchy in Beyond.
I have about 150 unreserved mana, more when i swap deter for any purity i might need for a boss and so on.
Now as you reminded me I will try out today to remove the dynamo wheel and see what happens.
Sustaining a 6L attack with the wheel and 2 active 60% auras is no problem at all with the wheel.
(I have 2% mana leech on gloves as OP suggested)
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Posted byFujira#6139on Sep 10, 2014, 8:50:04 AM
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Tisca wrote:
Thx. How important is the Dynamo cluster? Do you need it for two 60% auras with Sovereignty?
I'm considering Sovereignty but right now I'm running 5L and 85% aura. All mana leech comes from ammy.
Yes, you will be perfectly able to run two 60% auras without sovereignty. Thing is, you will need an around lvl 17+ mana reduce to support the auras.
For the 3rd aura on top of 2x60% you would probably need some passives to support them. Or switch to blood magic.
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Posted bySparkl#0387on Sep 10, 2014, 9:33:43 AM
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Thx. How important is the Dynamo cluster? Do you need it for two 60% auras with Sovereignty?
I'm considering Sovereignty but right now I'm running 5L and 85% aura. All mana leech comes from ammy.
Yes, you will be perfectly able to run two 60% auras without sovereignty. Thing is, you will need an around lvl 17+ mana reduce to support the auras.
For the 3rd aura on top of 2x60% you would probably need some passives to support them. Or switch to blood magic.
Oh right. I didn't even consider removing Sovereignty wheel instead of Dynamo wheel.
Gonna do some tests today and towards the weekend and see if any of these can be removed with no notable effect. 3-4 points more in HP is always nice, or maybe some extra dps :P
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Posted byFujira#6139on Sep 10, 2014, 10:08:25 AM
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Ok thx. It'd be appreciated if you report back when you know more.
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Posted byTisca#1578on Sep 10, 2014, 11:17:41 AM
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Sparkl wrote:
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Thx. How important is the Dynamo cluster? Do you need it for two 60% auras with Sovereignty?
I'm considering Sovereignty but right now I'm running 5L and 85% aura. All mana leech comes from ammy.
Yes, you will be perfectly able to run two 60% auras without sovereignty. Thing is, you will need an around lvl 17+ mana reduce to support the auras.
For the 3rd aura on top of 2x60% you would probably need some passives to support them. Or switch to blood magic.
In my case not quite. 2x 60% leaves me with 51 unreserved out of 430 and that's a lvl 17 Reduced Mana. Some mana on gear could fix the problem.
EDIT: lvl 18 Reduced mana worked much better, now with 60 mana unreserved. Put the rest of the skills on BM and it's working so far.
Last edited by Tisca#1578 on Sep 10, 2014, 3:22:35 PM
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Posted byTisca#1578on Sep 10, 2014, 11:25:22 AM
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Hiho,
since I am struggling very much with getting enough currency to get BoR I thought I might try it without.
First of all, I am kind of new. So it seems like I have to learn due mistakes I make.
I bought a Carcass Jack today. I thought it will fit quite well because my resists are still capped and the armor itself is quite nice with max life and increased AOE and AOE dmg.
But I was very suprised as I saw that the tooltip DPS didn't change at all if I switch Carcass Jack and my old armor (which just had life and resistances).
So the 12% more AOE dmg of Carcass Jack does not effect my current damage at all, or can I just not see it at the tooltip but I have to believe it is there?
Does it make a difference where the skill gems are placed? At the moment I am running 4L in WoE with Dual Strike + Multistrike + Meele Splash + Faster Attacks. Does it have to be in the Armor so the 12% increased AoE dmg count?
Best regards :)
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Posted bySearchMyAim#4428on Sep 10, 2014, 12:39:22 PM
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