VictorDoom's 2h Marauder, 7.7k life(no kaoms) huge dps[Uber Killed, with video] [2.0]

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Vincendra wrote:

You are talking about a ET /EX weapon, mine is 15% less effective. I am using inc. AOE whcih can be swapped out for another dm gem (added fire/wed if im running melee full life on my mana setup).

Your weapon costs about 300 ex (?) to craft, I achive "roughly" the same dps with 1/10th of the cost. Yes, I sacrifice roughly 18 points into damage nodes, which could net me those "missing" 1,5k life. I just dont feel its necesarry.

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Basically you sacrifice 1.5k life, LGOH and a flask slot for promise to get to roughly the same dps as me, that seems ineffective to me.

Doing "roughly" the same with 1/10th of the investment seems VERY effective to me.

Feel free to post a normal Atziri Vid. I will do the same for my build as soon as I am done with it. It may take another month on torment to achive those currency levels to craft a Karui chopper of ET/EX lvl, but I think I can make it in this temp league.

Never the less, please showcase your build in an Atziri run. You can find my Budged Atziri run in my Guide in the mara forum (5l Cyclone, Kaoms primacy. 30C budget run).

What?! i have that DPS number with this sword dude, it has less pdps than your axe:

Our builds cost the same, you have a 6l on your chest, i have one on the sword

Youre doing the same dps as me, with gear that costs the same, only you have 1.5k less life, you rely on flasks for dps and you have no LGOH benefit, how is that effective again?









How could you even think youd get only 30k cyclone with a 800 pdps sword....
I didnt post my dps with the mirror worthy weapon because theres no point in posting numbers with gear that only 1% of people can get, i can get to 71k cyclone with the mirror worthy sword(for proof:http://i.imgur.com/a2sQt1t.png)



my PC cant handle titty bitch rain and fraps at the same time, as you can see in my uber vid i get to like 1 FPS because of that, also im the first person to do uber atziri as 2h melee, do you really doubt i cant do normal version with this char?:)

and by the way people did atziri with this build in hardcore many times and posted their sucess in the thread, i did her about 50 times with the gear you can see in the gear section back in ambush.

I feel that if you can easily and conveniently stack attack speed with move speed, there is no reason not to, as is the case with swords. Your build is rather different to this one, Vincendra, with a somewhat different playstyle. I wouldn't be making comparisons too easily.

But yes, 70k+ cyclone tooltip is a sight to behold. I do it with a crit build. It allows me to oneshot everything in the apex, even the rares and the bosses. At that point it becomes more efficient to be able to kill a pack in one go and move on, with no circling required. That is where I'd say that you don't need attack speed too much.

Thing is, your dps calculations are good for single target. However, when clearing, its more efficient to move in short(but not too short) straight lines, and let attack speed do the job.

Not saying your version is bad or inferior, just giving my insight on cyclone at the higher dps levels.

I'm also pretty sure that Victor isn't denying your method, he says he tested it and prefers the classical way to scale cyclone. I, myself like a good mix between the two, since the mechanics of my build are, yet again entirely different. I do think that Vin's method is better in new leagues, since you don't need a high dps weapon, just a high damage one, and that is far cheaper.

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Etherfire wrote:

I do think that Vin's method is better in new leagues, since you don't need a high dps weapon, just a high damage one, and that is far cheaper.

The thing is if you check torment for a 500pdps axe like vincendras(high on hit damage, low aps) it costs 1 exalt, an 500pdps axe for this build(high APS lower on hit damage) costs 1 exalt, its exactly the same.


And as super cheap unqiues go, like kaoms primacy which is 1 chaos, i designed a unique specifically around this character, doomsower, which is also 1 chaos

Hehe, I'll admit that I don't really know league prices too well. I started playing ear the end of ambush, and everything was super expensive then. The prices I remember are from that time(for leagues).

All I wanted to do is tho give a 2nd option. I cleary laid out the Pros (hitting hard per hit as you can see one page before, I am hitting way harder per hit even with a non perfect weapon) and the cons (No LGOH use, 18 points invested into damage instead of life).

If you deem it ineffectiv, I can not help you. There are 2 ways of scaling Cyclone, and no one is better then the other. Those ways are diffferent, give different results and need different gear.

Stay on your stubborn way if yoou'd like to. I have tried out both ways (AS and MS scaling) and know in which situation which is better. All I want to do is giving insight that one ways is not the superior in every way.

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Vincendra wrote:

All I wanted to do is tho give a 2nd option. I cleary laid out the Pros (hitting hard per hit as you can see one page before, I am hitting way harder per hit even with a non perfect weapon) and the cons (No LGOH use, 18 points invested into damage instead of life).

If you deem it ineffectiv, I can not help you. There are 2 ways of scaling Cyclone, and no one is better then the other. Those ways are diffferent, give different results and need different gear.

Stay on your stubborn way if yoou'd like to. I have tried out both ways (AS and MS scaling) and know in which situation which is better. All I want to do is giving insight that one ways is not the superior in every way.

It's all up to preference mate. Personally I'm glad you showcased your way of scaling cyclone, as it made me rethink my build, and I ended up getting better :P

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Vincendra wrote:

All I wanted to do is tho give a 2nd option. I cleary laid out the Pros (hitting hard per hit as you can see one page before, I am hitting way harder per hit even with a non perfect weapon) and the cons (No LGOH use, 18 points invested into damage instead of life).

If you deem it ineffectiv, I can not help you. There are 2 ways of scaling Cyclone, and no one is better then the other. Those ways are diffferent, give different results and need different gear.

Stay on your stubborn way if yoou'd like to. I have tried out both ways (AS and MS scaling) and know in which situation which is better. All I want to do is giving insight that one ways is not the superior in every way.

play your char how you like to play it, you posted in my thread with your build and i showed you a factually better alternative, if you dont like it, dont play it, simple as that.

I thought this build suddenly became popular, given the surge in thread page numbers, lol. Anyway, I saw in some other thread you complained about Uber difficulty, how about Normal Atziri? s this build or your own Duelist Cyclone Staff build better? I am looking for a tanky and consistent build for easy game in Bloodline and to try running normal Atziri fairly easily, if possible. Thanks in advance! :)

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wiwigvn wrote:

I thought this build suddenly became popular, given the surge in thread page numbers, lol. Anyway, I saw in some other thread you complained about Uber difficulty, how about Normal Atziri? s this build or your own Duelist Cyclone Staff build better? I am looking for a tanky and consistent build for easy game in Bloodline and to try running normal Atziri fairly easily, if possible. Thanks in advance! :)

Normal atziri is very easy with this build, id rather do it with this one than the staff duelist for hardcore just because this build gets more life and uses life gain on hit and its also a lot tankier for maps too. The uber build is also very strong but it has less life, no life gain on hit, but higher damage, its more like the softcore version of this build.

Theres a few people around the thread who did it on bloodlines too, so its viable to do it there

i might record some videos to show how to do each boss in there if my PC can handle miscreation rain after i reinstall windows, i think it will help atziri runners

With the fact that not all players have a 6 link, how do you think this build would do in the end-game maps (75+) and atziri?

I'm going to try this build anyways, but I was just wondering since I don't have that much currency in the new league :(