ReverendBizzarre: ele cleave templar [6k life, 45k+ dps]

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Babocopter wrote:

What do you guys think of this build using dual strike with melee splash?

Seems like it accomplishes the same thing, except it puts you down a socket, so why bother?

All the same, I intend to try it out when I get a melee splash gem.

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magicrectangle wrote:

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Babocopter wrote:

What do you guys think of this build using dual strike with melee splash?

Seems like it accomplishes the same thing, except it puts you down a socket, so why bother?

All the same, I intend to try it out when I get a melee splash gem.

the splash gem AoE is very bad unfortunately... multistrike isnt very good either with this build, id rather use faster attacks

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VictorDoom wrote:

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magicrectangle wrote:

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Babocopter wrote:

What do you guys think of this build using dual strike with melee splash?

Seems like it accomplishes the same thing, except it puts you down a socket, so why bother?

All the same, I intend to try it out when I get a melee splash gem.

the splash gem AoE is very bad unfortunately... multistrike isnt very good either with this build, id rather use faster attacks

I tried it out with my elemental cleave build and gear. I just swapped cleave for infernal blow, and weapon elemental for melee splash (so infernal blow + life leech + attack speed + increased AoE + melee splash total in my 5L). My damage dropped by like a factor of 3, obviously (no weapon elemental, and no cleave doubling up my elemental bonuses), but it actually isn't as bad as all that. The radius isn't amazing, but with my 67% increased AoE it worked okay. I made a quick test video:

Infernal Blow Melee Splash Test

Later I went and did some maps with it, and it was mostly fine. I wasn't as safe as with cleave, because you can't just stop and area-attack with it to hit stuff and leech, you have to wander around trying to target something (and have it actually be in range according to the server) with the main attack to get it to work, but I did a bunch of 66-69 maps without much trouble, and only maybe ~30% slower clear times than as elemental cleave.

Haven't found a multistrike yet, but I do want to try that out with cleave.

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magicrectangle wrote:

I tried it out with my elemental cleave build and gear. I just swapped cleave for infernal blow, and weapon elemental for melee splash (so infernal blow + life leech + attack speed + increased AoE + melee splash total in my 5L). My damage dropped by like a factor of 3, obviously (no weapon elemental, and no cleave doubling up my elemental bonuses), but it actually isn't as bad as all that. The radius isn't amazing, but with my 67% increased AoE it worked okay. I made a quick test video:

Infernal Blow Melee Splash Test

Later I went and did some maps with it, and it was mostly fine. I wasn't as safe as with cleave, because you can't just stop and area-attack with it to hit stuff and leech, you have to wander around trying to target something (and have it actually be in range according to the server) with the main attack to get it to work, but I did a bunch of 66-69 maps without much trouble, and only maybe ~30% slower clear times than as elemental cleave.

That is a massive increase in AoE though for not such a large area, 67% increase with cleave will pretty much hit everything on the screen, it does look good if you make a build around it though with a lot of AoE passives should be nice with glacial hammer and ele prolif so you can freeze the screen.

And yeah the targeting part is very disappointing.. kinda dangerous especially if youre in high maps you wouldnt wanna do that.

Nice video, can you please tell me what program did you use to film and/or compress it? I used FRAPS for my videos and then compressed them in sony vegas, the quality turned to crap unfortunately :(

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VictorDoom wrote:

That is a massive increase in AoE though for not such a large area, 67% increase with cleave will pretty much hit everything on the screen

Yeah I can hit more stuff with cleave with that AoE for sure. I think the total area is about the same, but cleave hits in an arc in front of you, and melee splash hits in a circle around your primary target, so cleave is a lot easier to get to be hitting a whole group.

For comparison, here's cleave with the same AoE (I linked this a couple pages back too):
Elemental Cleave Witch with 67% increased AoE

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Nice video, can you please tell me what program did you use to film and/or compress it? I used FRAPS for my videos and then compressed them in sony vegas, the quality turned to crap unfortunately :(

Captured with fraps, produced with AVS.

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magicrectangle wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

That is a massive increase in AoE though for not such a large area, 67% increase with cleave will pretty much hit everything on the screen

Yeah I can hit more stuff with cleave with that AoE for sure. I think the total area is about the same, but cleave hits in an arc in front of you, and melee splash hits in a circle around your primary target, so cleave is a lot easier to get to be hitting a whole group.

For comparison, here's cleave with the same AoE (I linked this a couple pages back too):
Elemental Cleave Witch with 67% increased AoE

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Nice video, can you please tell me what program did you use to film and/or compress it? I used FRAPS for my videos and then compressed them in sony vegas, the quality turned to crap unfortunately :(

Captured with fraps, produced with AVS.

Awesome music, want me to add these videos to the guide (with your name stapled on them of course)?

im getting AVS now, thanks mate, how large is the file after you compress it with AVS by the way? im assuming its much better than with sony vegas since you managed to upload them, i got an ETA of like 1 week when i tried it with good qual XD

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VictorDoom wrote:

Awesome music, want me to add these videos to the guide (with your name stapled on them of course)?

Sure! Although the infernal blow one maybe doesn't fit the thread so well, other than just as a curiosity for comparison. But it is your thread.

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im getting AVS now, thanks mate, how large is the file after you compress it with AVS by the way? im assuming its much better than with sony vegas since you managed to upload them, i got an ETA of like 1 week when i tried it with good qual XD

At 1080p the infernal blow one (which is like three and a half minutes) is 121 megs. (H.264/AVC codec) Obviously not small, but youtube doesn't care. I think they convert it to some other format after you upload anyway.

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magicrectangle wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

Awesome music, want me to add these videos to the guide (with your name stapled on them of course)?

Sure! Although the infernal blow one maybe doesn't fit the thread so well, other than just as a curiosity for comparison. But it is your thread.

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im getting AVS now, thanks mate, how large is the file after you compress it with AVS by the way? im assuming its much better than with sony vegas since you managed to upload them, i got an ETA of like 1 week when i tried it with good qual XD

At 1080p the infernal blow one (which is like three and a half minutes) is 121 megs. (H.264/AVC codec) Obviously not small, but youtube doesn't care. I think they convert it to some other format after you upload anyway.

Will do, ill only add the EB witch ele cleave, its more fitting, very nice job on it too.

That size is awesome, with sony vegas on my 8min video i think it had 1.5gb with that really bad quality, thanks for the help on it mate, ill do a video on a high level map when i can and record it properly this time

Sure thing mate. PM me on the forums if you have questions about AVS (although I'm about to leave for a while).

Hi Victor!

First of all I'd like to thank you for this great guide - I've leveled a templar to 50 in default and it's really fun to play!

Now I'm thinking about starting a Ranger (as it seems even more fun) in hardcore and have a few questions:

1) How would you recommend to progress: take Iron Reflexes first (with surrounding nodes)? But then what? Should I go for the duelist part of tree or move towards the centre and take all these life nodes? When to go for templar nodes? Are things like Twin Terrors, Blade Barrier and Deep thought considered as final touches of should I take them early?

2) How do deal with intelligence requirements (for wrath and anger) early in the game? Should I try to wear extra int gear?

Thanks in advance for your help :)