ReverendBizzarre: ele cleave templar [6k life, 45k+ dps]

Hey Victor what do u think about determination?:) I use it sometimes instead of vitality or purity. But not quite sure about it!

Also can u say sth about light pen?Cause i really hate concentrated effect and was thinking about switching the gem!I lvld light pen on an empty slot just to have the option!Even if the dps on the character panel is lower i think its still pretty good in comparison to concentrated effect. Have u done any math concerning this?And is there a capped - resitant? cause im sometimes using also conductivity.Dont want to reach a capped resitance reduction!
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Which nodes would you say you are taking instead of speccing into inner force? I'm using it atm with grace, determination, purity, wrath, and anger. I can't see what you'd rather get instead of a thirty percent boost to all of those. I guess you'd be sacrificing health?
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Orencik wrote:
Hey Victor what do u think about determination?:) I use it sometimes instead of vitality or purity. But not quite sure about it!

Also can u say sth about light pen?Cause i really hate concentrated effect and was thinking about switching the gem!I lvld light pen on an empty slot just to have the option!Even if the dps on the character panel is lower i think its still pretty good in comparison to concentrated effect. Have u done any math concerning this?And is there a capped - resitant? cause im sometimes using also conductivity.Dont want to reach a capped resitance reduction!


Penetration is good, and also you cant reach the res reduciton cap, it can go to -something if i remember correctly and im not even sure is capped i only know that light penetration is good, better than added lightning.

And yes determination is ok for oyu if you have under 6-7k armor, going past 7k isnt worth it because the way armor works.

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Loi wrote:
Which nodes would you say you are taking instead of speccing into inner force? I'm using it atm with grace, determination, purity, wrath, and anger. I can't see what you'd rather get instead of a thirty percent boost to all of those. I guess you'd be sacrificing health?


any nodes i would take out for inner force would result in me losing more than i would gain.
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VictorDoom wrote:
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deentemp wrote:
we must compare the final builds into exilepro.com to see who gets better hp %/ armor at the end of the build.

Im using flask with +ele resist on those kind of maps , as i dont use any mana flask and i dont have to care about mana or i dont have to keep a mana leech gem so u see here there are many benefict by doing this.

I appreciate if you criticize my build and my gear .

I sold all my wander gear and i have now about 50 exalted to buy 2 weapons, 1 chest and a necklace /ring maybe .

Could you say what im looking for?or what to change first?

I stand at 130 life/second w/o the 1% hp /sec node in templar zone yet wich ill take when ill hit 5 k hp or higher .

In my opinion intelect nodes and mana regen/mana leech gem are the weak points of this build. Str is your main friend , along with the required dex to use the rapiers.


You will need just elemental damage weapons with attack speed, life and ele neck, and chest i would try to buy a 6l Glroious plate

Mana leech means you can spam cleave with the ability of also using % auras on your mana pool, and not having to sacrifice any life at all, mana regeneration helps for casting normal skills that dont leech mana, intellect is necessary for auras like Wrath since at level 20 it requires 148 intelligence.

Build Summary for level 100:http://www.exilepro.com/build-summary?build=AAAAAgUBAnEEswVbDq0R1RRNFHUVIBZvGYUZtBo4G_odFCP2JKol3yftKaUqTSzpLdIyiTWSNuk62DrhPAU8LT8nRtdHfkp9TdhOyFXGVvpX4lnzWkhfqmOnZU1mnmegZ71qh2qTbBZs9m5pbqpyqXPhdEF35Xq4fNmC5IM4g9uE2Yd2iPGKr4uMjHaPRpAKkBGQVZuhnz6f36IApBmmV6eEq8Wsqq6Ttz6-p8APwBrB2MS4xPbGrsrTznHPZdDQ0k3V7dX43Q3dRuFz42rnY-w47SDuDu5v73zv8PAf8kXz3feI-tL8S_xO_MX9z_4K

the important parts: 312% life, 120% armor, 141% ele damage, 38% all rez, 18% IAS (24% with krayt reward), 2% life regen, 32% mana

I contemplated the routes i can take with my build for a long time when i was making it, after lots of maths, comparisons etc. i arrived to the conclusion that the way i do it is the best way, any other routes are indeed inferior, none offer as much damage and survivability.


i dont say u didnt do a great job your build is killer but i offer an alternative wich i like better , yes you are more flexible with auras but still i can do more dps since instead of the mana leech i can stack faster attack or other gems that helps better on farming , but i think this compensates with you using haste.


If you want to compare our builds here is my build at lvl 100 and my stats are better than yours as you can see :

http://www.exilepro.com/build-summary?build=AAAAAgUBAnEEswUtBVsMfQ48Dq0QfxQgFE0UcRZvGNsZLhmFGjgdFCFgI_YkqiftKLUpTymlMgkyiTWGNZI26TpSOrM8BUCgQapDnEbXSn1OyFBHUFBUSVWpVcZWBFb6V-JYY1nzWkhbr18_YEtgiGFSY6dmnmegZ71yqXTtdPF35XrvfNmCm4M4hmCHdouMjM-PRpBVl7SboZ2qnrmfy5_fogCi6qcIpzCnhKyqrLq4k7nNud3AGsaextjPZdDQ037Uj90N3Ubfv-Fz42rnUuw47SDuDu8O707vfO_w8B_yL_Pd9kj3Mvjr-tL8TvzF


I end up with resist capped , with more life % not only from passive but from the str nodes look at my strenght value compared to yours. The life regen is 4.4 % and my build can be improved , atm i run maps smooth w/o dying and i dont use endurance charges. Ty again for your build its rlly complex and well explained and i would love if you could improve mine abit cause i feel its a viable one :) .

BTW i dont feel i need more armor increase cause i end up at around 6.6-7k armor with the proper gear wich i will aquires as i have the currency but im out of town now and cant play.


A important skill gem for me is increase area of effect beside the concetrated effect ,cause i can reach the ranged packs quick and easy and that helps alot considering im rerolling from a ranged class, and the dsync is killing me , i didnt have that on ranged .

I feel like the cons on the mana build are the wasted points in intelect/mana regen/ mana pool incr and so on. I dont feel like i need anything else , how you do maps with BM? or your reroll them?
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Last edited by deentemp#0198 on Mar 11, 2013, 4:33:04 PM
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deentemp wrote:

i dont say u didnt do a great job your build is killer but i offer an alternative wich i like better , yes you are more flexible with auras but still i can do more dps since instead of the mana leech i can stack faster attack or other gems that helps better on farming , but i think this compensates with you using haste.


If you want to compare our builds here is my build at lvl 100 and my stats are better than yours as you can see :

http://www.exilepro.com/build-summary?build=AAAAAgUBAnEEswUtBVsMfQ48Dq0QfxQgFE0UcRZvGNsZLhmFGjgdFCFgI_YkqiftKLUpTymlMgkyiTWGNZI26TpSOrM8BUCgQapDnEbXSn1OyFBHUFBUSVWpVcZWBFb6V-JYY1nzWkhbr18_YEtgiGFSY6dmnmegZ71yqXTtdPF35XrvfNmCm4M4hmCHdouMjM-PRpBVl7SboZ2qnrmfy5_fogCi6qcIpzCnhKyqrLq4k7nNud3AGsaextjPZdDQ037Uj90N3Ubfv-Fz42rnUuw47SDuDu8O707vfO_w8B_yL_Pd9kj3Mvjr-tL8TvzF


I end up with resist capped , with more life % not only from passive but from the str nodes look at my strenght value compared to yours. The life regen is 4.4 % and my build can be improved , atm i run maps smooth w/o dying and i dont use endurance charges. Ty again for your build its rlly complex and well explained and i would love if you could improve mine abit cause i feel its a viable one :) .

BTW i dont feel i need more armor increase cause i end up at around 6.6-7k armor with the proper gear wich i will aquires as i have the currency but im out of town now and cant play.


A important skill gem for me is increase area of effect beside the concetrated effect ,cause i can reach the ranged packs quick and easy and that helps alot considering im rerolling from a ranged class, and the dsync is killing me , i didnt have that on ranged .

I feel like the cons on the mana build are the wasted points in intelect/mana regen/ mana pool incr and so on. I dont feel like i need anything else , how you do maps with BM? or your reroll them?


I end up 312% 5% less, but you have to sacrifice around 350 life just for the auras, and that is less with the str you might be able to end up with the same amount of life., so the acutal effective HP is not higher.

The thing with endurance charges is that you do need them especially when taking harder mobs you feel a pretty massive difference in the damage you take when you have endurance charges up, so i do strongly suggest you use them, they are indeed tedious to keep up, i use 2 endu cry gems to make it easier, but the damage reduction they provide is very noticeable!
Especially in 75+ maps, in those maps monsters ahve very high damage and keeping up endurance charges makes a difference.

For maps with BM i just dont cast the % aura, only grace,wrath and anger, theyre not a problem.

The BM version of this build which i had in mind when i was theory crafting would be this: Passive skill tree build

In my opinion that is the best way of doing it if you insist on going BM.

Also you might want to consider starting as a marauder since taking the first templar node (40% mana regen) does not help BM.

I might actually post all versions of the elemental cleave ive made over this time in this thread, one for every class, seems like a neat idea.
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Last edited by VictorDoom#6290 on Mar 11, 2013, 5:00:25 PM
Updated, after quite a while i just made a unique and nice elemental cleave build for every single class, hope these help in case you dont enjoy rolling a templar!
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For the duelist, you spend way too many points getting frenzy charges.
You spend 3 total points getting an additional frenzy charges. This equals 5% additional attackspeed. If you spent those 3 points on attackspeed nodes, you'd get 14% attackspeed through the duelist starting nodes, and finesse.
Improved build
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Last edited by Suzumiyaharuhi#1589 on Mar 12, 2013, 12:31:58 AM
No wait nvm, heh

Free bump! :)
Last edited by Aurell#2988 on Mar 12, 2013, 5:12:06 AM
Hi Victor. I'm playing elem cleave duelist and my build right now differs from your. I'd like to hear some critics and maybe advise.
I'm lvl 79 now
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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQAmSu9gavFR35lTYTZbmkl38S4vqcb-tX40k2kGcAPAdzi6r6KYSF4DYTvEuFYr3TtNuhGaXrvAedgS6cwBS2ezUCg0iF25-9OIWBXDTIJdPHZYZHOGNueuRkuQ5wn7dSPDq3z3ayqud0UdSmlcqlZ8_Iv7w50QXzZwBpW-maekFVqh91G-tKnhGOn_E4dFBo4j0bsONDQV-I62ClPz2V35TKJTdgt0oKbVcYEs4x2FE0CcYM4ogDvfDwFn9-LjOFz7SBG1w==


I'm going to end with
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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQAmSu9gavFR35lTYTZbmkl38S4vqcb-tX40k2kGcAPAdzi6r6KYSF4DRLhWK-i6jboRmnvTgHnQKAyCacwBS0hYBQgns1gS3Tx0iF253rvGNueuVcNdO1DnNlhkc4OrRkuFHUppSft1I90QfPdrKq53Vb6cqlZ8_Iv7w5qh91GfNnAGudSY6f8TmaekFVUSfrSp4RfPzbpHRQaOPZI42qPRuw4jM-nCNDQV-I62ClP2t24k5uhz2X9z3flMolN2C3SgpsMfWe9VcYEs4x2EH_ubxRNAnHGnoM4ogDvfDwFn9-LjOFz7SBG11BHJKoZhQ==


Or BM version really close to my currient spec
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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQAmSu9gavFR35lTYTZbmkl376nG_rSTaQZwA8B3OLqYSEaVRLhZKOi6jbo704B5zpSQKAyCacw378FLSFgns1gS3Tx0iF253rvGNueuVcNdO1DnNlhkc4OrRkuFHUppSft1I90QfPdrKq53Vb6cqlZ8_Iv7w5qh91GfNnAGudSY6f8TmaekFVUSfrSp4RfPzbpHRQaOPZI42qPRuw4jM_Q0FfiOthQUJuhz2X9z3flMolN2C3SWGNnvVXGBLOMdsbY7m8UTfAfAnGDOKIA73w8BZ_fi4zhc-0gRtcWbySqGYUUIFBHhyn8xWegh3ZKfQ==


I thought about BM cause i use 3 auras right now, i don't have enough mana for % aura. Also i have 7 Endurance charges so i don't think i need any def. aura.

My currient stats pretty bad:
3k hp
8k dps cleave with auras (5 link - no concentrated effect and i have very slow offhand)

Seems like they fixed cleave attack speed and it considers offhand speed now. I didn't find it on forum.

Should i start using Blood Rage or it's useless with only 3 charges?
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I feel like you didnt take enough life nodes , and like a friend of mine says : if you dont have life on a item piece than its no good ! 3k hp is rlly low for lvl 79 , im at lvl 76 with 4.1 k hp and im missing some hp on boots/ammulet and i will still take 7 hp nodes , i rlly want to get that 5k hp wich will help alot.
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