ReverendBizzarre: ele cleave templar [6k life, 45k+ dps]

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Fratgiolo wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

dont worry ill be updating the wallthrough section tomorrow, it will be ok, you will take a few 8% mana nodes early on and then respec them once you reach the mana flows area. its very late now so expect the walkthrough to be update only tomorrow.

Its way more tanky and way more dps now, i have close to 20k dps now with the dps gear.

At higher level and with better gear im expecting around 5k+ life and 20k+ dps and a lot of armor

few quick questions :
1)Are you using purity or vitality? which one do you suggest?
2) In your dps gear, in the 6 link chest are you having Cleave-Faster attacks-weapon elemental damage-mana leech-concentrated effect-lightning penetration ?
3)Just respeked into the new build and i find armor to be scaling really bad with talents, i got like 3% more reduction with the new talents. I also noticed that my physical resistence drops when levelling up, is it only my problem? (I actually have 35% reduction)
4)Would cleave dps be higher with the 32% buff effect increase (Inner Force +Buff effect + Buff effect) or with Accellerated effects?
5)There are mobs in high level Maps that i can't actually tank.This happens especially when the map we're running has "Monsters deal 90% increased damage of X(lightning,fire,..)" or "Monsters deal 30% more damage". All resistences exept chaos are at cap but i don't have life leech (i'm running a 5l chest). I tried using a bow as second set of weapon but still lightning arrow mana cost is too high to run with this build. How are you doing on such maps? What do you suggest to do?

Thanks in advance for you patience, i really appreciate your build :).

1.Vitality if you have enough resistances, Purity if your resistances are not maxed.

2.No my 6link is the same as it is posted with my armor in both sets of gear, Cleave-FA-WeD-LL-ML-Conc Eff

3.That is normal, physical reduction is calculated for your level, so higher level you are physical damage reduction will be lower, armor you need to look at the flat number not at the reduction, you need at least 6k armor for maps to have a good mittigation of phys dmg.

4.Nope

5.You need to stack endurance charges for those obviously so you can face tank them, you also need high life if you cant do it yet, you can use conversion trap like i do for some mobs, you can summon stuff, use a totem, you can do any map with this build, you can use any skill. be inventive.

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Fraya wrote:

Bummer, that would be sick if it did. I can't decide how I want to build my tree now.

I'm torn between:

40% Life

and

40% Armor
8% IAS

Or alternatively, I could scrap that whole route and go for AoE radius. WHAT TO DO?

As it is this is the best setup for ele cleave templar.

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Gekko101 wrote:

cant double dip into iron reflex with leather and steel - it does not work with it at all.

Still worth picking up..? or why would u pick it up if it does not stack

Because its still a lot of armor with a few nodes, and also its the way to mana floes, life , life regen and more armor.

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Kozasomed12 wrote:

VictorDoom can you post your proposed build to Nugiyen from yesterday for HC... what would be the optimal build for HC ... or if someone wants to follow this one on HC - he just goes with the one that is already posted?

Waiting for you to update this thread and the Ranger one - gonna have to respec 85points tomorrow.

This is that build, im updating the walkthroughs on both threads now.

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tayfun369 wrote:

will this spec work with the upcoming cyclone skill too?

ele cyclone instead of ele cleave.

have to respec my templar from ls but can't decide if i should spec ele cleave, wander or w8 for cyclone.

We will have to see how the mechanics of cyclone are, if its affected by concentrated effect, movement speed, atack speed, if it has a global damage reduction for dual wielding etc.

When its released i will provide info on it and how it would work with this build.

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Prokon2 wrote:

k what do i have to sacrifice or inner force? any ideas im just lvl 38 not even sure if i should rush inner force now.

I wouldnt take inner force,its 6 points from the original route, the sacrificiable 6 points that could go in inner force would mean sacrifing 40% life.. not worth it in my opinion.

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Ropa23 wrote:

Hey, this would be fine starting up as a Ranger wouldn't it?

I just pick up the 8% attack speed node and obviously the starting evasion nodes then continue exactly like you have built it.

I can just drop the 3 armor nodes that you picked up in the Duelist area to compensate for me picking up the starting Ranger evasion nodes.
Steel skin isnt that important to pick up is it?

You can do it but its less efficient, the best starting point is just templar. Starting with anything else means sacrifice important points for nothing.



Walkthrough is updated!

got cleaver+eledmg+lifeleech+manaleech
but somehow i dont see lifeleech being that effective:/
isnt lfie on hit maybe better at the beginning? i can reach with lvl 40 around 1040k dps with all resis max or almost max. i got 1.1k life and took ur route as suggested.

i mean it just feels as if lifeleech isnt healing right :/ the heal is like for 0.002 sec and then thats it. or is it to early to use life leech and should i stay with heal pots?

And btw since they buffed the atck speed reward for alira i think isnt it worth taking maybe?instead of the skillpoint?

And is the extra endurance charge so important? i wasnt really using enduring cry yet:/ it just stack horrible on my lvl. and i cant afford the mana to cast it so often :)

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Prokon2 wrote:

got cleaver+eledmg+lifeleech+manaleech
but somehow i dont see lifeleech being that effective:/
isnt lfie on hit maybe better at the beginning? i can reach with lvl 40 around 1040k dps with all resis max or almost max. i got 1.1k life and took ur route as suggested.

i mean it just feels as if lifeleech isnt healing right :/ the heal is like for 0.002 sec and then thats it. or is it to early to use life leech and should i stay with heal pots?

And btw since they buffed the atck speed reward for alira i think isnt it worth taking maybe?instead of the skillpoint?

And is the extra endurance charge so important? i wasnt really using enduring cry yet:/ it just stack horrible on my lvl. and i cant afford the mana to cast it so often :)

Life on hit is better in the lower levels, life leech in the higher levels, you can see how life leech works in my videos, unfotunately the quality is crappier than i thought it would be when i compressed them :(

And yes the new kreaytin attack speed reward is worth it, forgot to update that!

nice yeah life leech is pretty nice now^^ lvl 2% now instead of 1 thats a huge difference and found 2 nice new swords and got 1.3k dps on lvl 41:)
merveil was the easiest mob i ever had-.- pretty boring


so i will take the atck speed buff then:)

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VictorDoom wrote:

You can do it but its less efficient, the best starting point is just templar. Starting with anything else means sacrifice important points for nothing.

Hey, heres my Ranger version of your 80 point build :



Templar gains:

52% armor
10% ele resist
31% ele dmg
40% mana regen
1 spare passive... gonna assume 8% life for this

Ranger:

48% evasion
12% attack speed
40 dex
16% life

You say yourself mana is not a problem because you use mana leech gem so we can say the 40% templar start isnt needed. Not sure which is better, 31% ele dmg or the 12 attack speed.
However, it would take a while to get to the templar life nodes which may be a problem.
I may still make the ranger but would like more of your opinion about this ^^

And about levelling cleave, according to wiki a lvl 1 cleave is 7 mana, a lvl 16 one is only 10 and you gain 60% dmg. Have you tested how much a levelled cleave gives you dps wise?
I mean its only 3 more mana and you say you got so much mana from mana leech anyway.

well i stopped lvling mine at lvl 5 and i am not high enough to test it sry:/

What do u guys think aobut chitus apex? the unique ele dmg and resi helmet?when i saw it the first time i knew i wanna get it.Is it worth the currency? I mean 10% resi is nice and up to 20% ele dmg on head is nice aswell!

And one more question!Ever tried blood rage for frenzy charges?:) sound pretty easy to get buff up kill stuff and there u go.

VictorDoom (VD), just wanted to say thanks for continually updating this build and answering all of the questions that come up. I am having a blast playing this character. Thank you!!!

Hello,VictorDoom. Why did you not take Dervish? 12% block chance for 2 skill points looks great.

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Ropa23 wrote:

Hey, heres my Ranger version of your 80 point build :

Hey I like the Ranger too. Thinking hard now how to respec my points.

Compared to the previous build, it didn't have Berserking anyway. So this build gained 12% IAS. If you add another 8% that's 20%. Personally I would hold off the 8% node until you find a really awesome ele weapon that have a slow base speed like 1.30 att/s. Otherwise something to consider is the mana drain when you have a lot of extra IAS.

My Ranger with the previous Mana Flows group was doing ok till 65 without any extra IAS in the passive tree. Didn't take the 4% from Finesse either, although her weapons had IAS bonus and were both around 2 att/s. After reserved mana spamming Cleave was ok but Bear Trap and other things would be limited so I had to alternate Cleave to regain enough mana sometimes to cast a Trap which is not ideal. And my Mana Leech was 6% :/ TLDR: keep the mana drain in mind, I would try without that node for a while.

guys its my gfs birthday today i will respond tomorrow to questions im writing this on my phone, keep asking whatever questions or dubets you might have, i will happily respond to everything tomorrow!