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No more arguments and posting of your non coruppt items, ONLY BALLS NEEDED!

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pneuma wrote:

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ggs wrote:

Tell me all about my balls.

There are more balls in this post than the sum total of every other post in this entire forum.

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Well... should I?

bwhaha! do it to urs and i do it to mine

Corrupted a Molten Shell, nothing happened. I suppose I was dumb because it was neither lvl 20 or Quality 20 lol

appeal to GGG make vaal orb on demigods presence give a chance of increasing character size amount from 20 to 40

then i will use vaal orb on it

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Iusia wrote:

From what I can read, every fucking word. It seems as though you're thinking as little as I apparently am.

No need to be so rude dude. Take a deep breath and calm down a bit.

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First of all, what and where is my 'contradictory opinion'?

Your contradictory opinion is that this orb is terrible because it can ruin great items, but you don't apply the same logic to other orbs. Either you think orbs should be able to be made better/worse, or you think they should be guaranteed to make things better. You can ruin a good item with currency, it's always been the case. RagnarokChu's post also seems to accept this. He took a lot of time to write out the purposes of other orbs, presumably to point out that obviously this one serves a different purpose, but he didn't dispute that there are other orbs that can ruin items. He pointed out exactly as I did that it makes more sense to use it on mediocre items than it does to use them on BiS items, and that seems to be his only issue, it doesn't serve the purpose he wanted it to.

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Second, you keep using a chaos on a perfect item as a simile to a Vaal on a perfect item. The thing is, and I should mention that opinions can change (mine has in fact) 1, you wouldn't use a chaos on a perfect item.

Exactly dude, you're going round in circles without seeing your own point in the middle. You wouldn't keep crafting an already perfect item, you'd only mess it up, so obviously this isn't meant to be used on perfect items, just like chaos.....

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2. Any chaos you use will not remove the sockets or links.

Yes, we are all aware that chaos orbs and vaal orbs don't do exactly the same thing, it would be dumb if they did. The basic point that they can both be used to make items better or worse is why I used the analogy, and it's entirely relevant because it highlights the absurdity and inconsistency of your opinion.

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3. The possible benefits of the vaal orb do not outweigh losing a fully linked item.

So don't use it on a fully linked item Sherlock.

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Yes, I can understand that the effects do need to be chaotic. But if the negative effects have a enough of a possibility to do that, then there becomes no incentive to do so.

Well that point is only relevant to two handers and chest armor, so again while it seems like you might be getting the hang of which items it's better to use this on, you're just upset that it isn't right for all items at all times. If the downside of an orb is that you can lose your links, then use it on something without links. It's not rocket science.

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If you like, then it may be put forth that the positive effects should scale WITH the possible negative effects. Such as, if you use it on a 6L item, you're just as likely to get something on the opposite end of the scale as losing all the links and item itself.

Why? That would be ridiculous, the game has never worked like that and it never will, you'd just have OP items all over the place. Again, why do you think the benefits should always be equal to the risks with this, but not with chaos? When you chaos a good item, chances are you'll make it worse not better, so why doesn't your suggestion apply to that too?

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Again, I am tired and so I apologise for my inability to properly articulate myself. You might do well to try and explain yourself simply.

Again, in very simple terms: There are lots of ways to ruin a good item. The better an item is, the greater the chance that altering it will have an undesired outcome. It's simple logic, and it's how the game has always worked.

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There is no other orb that makes something 100% "worse"

Sure there is, we've been over this already, I have no idea why you felt the need to write out descriptions of what all the orbs do as they don't contradict my point in the slightest. I didn't claim vaal orbs are exactly the same as another orb, that would be silly. I said that getting worked up because they can make things worse instead of better is silly and inconsistent, and I was right.

What seems to have gotten you worked up is the permanent nature of the orb.

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Why are you defending the item as "fair" as other orbs, because it's "RNG" doesn't mean it's the same thing with the design of other orbs. All of the other orbs that have an RNG basis take an item and always have a chance of making it greater without a chance 100% total loss. This is like buying a lottery ticket and if you lose you get punched in the face

If you have a ring with 4 perfect affixes and then you exalt and get a shit affix, the ring is going to be worth much, much less than it was before the exalt, if anything at all. If you put a chaos on it then you just ruin the whole thing. In either case, without an eternal you aren't going to get it back to the state it was in before. The only difference here is that you can't eternal it, but you can get results that you couldn't get with an exalt as a reward.

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makes it completely unusable or slightly better

Bull. Some of the stuff we're seeing is amazing. Malis with area damage, a perandus blazon with avoid shock, legacy Kaom's with chaos res, thunderfists with curse on hit, and people are just getting started. It's looking like there are some pretty awesome benefits to be had.

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It's not a alch orb that I go "let me use this on the ring because I need more resists."

Ultimately I think people will use it a lot like alch/chaos. Using it on BiS items will be reserved only for hardened gamblers. That's not what it's for.

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ashstain89 wrote:

i'll just leave this here..

That's sick bro, grats.

those standart items value is 0.

cmmon i just throwed all away on hardcore, after nemesis ended.

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If you have a ring with 4 perfect affixes and then you exalt and get a shit affix, the ring is going to be worth much, much less than it was before the exalt, if anything at all. If you put a chaos on it then you just ruin the whole thing. In either case, without an eternal you aren't going to get it back to the state it was in before. The only difference here is that you can't eternal it, but you can get results that you couldn't get with an exalt as a reward.

If I have a ring with 4 perfect affixes and a exalt it and get a shit affix, I have a ring with 4 prefect affix and a shit affix. Price of the item (market value) has nothing to do whenever or not if the if they orb make it statistically worse or better. If that extra shit affix was 1 light radius, I STILL have a wring with 4 perfect affix and one light radius that is technically better then the 4 perfect affix one. It just "could have been better", which in case when I do exalt it I have 5 perfect affix, if not I still have an usable item with 4 perfect 1 + one not prefect I can still use.

Your not going to Chaos 4 perfect affix item, that isn't the point of the item. Your going to reroll items that can statistically get much better then not better. You have a chance of turning the item to a perfect 6 affix op item, even when the item has 4 shit ones or 4 perfect items one. Even if you mess up the item you still have your links/colors/whatever and you can still edit the item.

An Vaal orb can combine all of the downsides of every single other orb without the same level of reward. It can brick my item, be worse then an chaos orb and a bad exalt put together.

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Bull. Some of the stuff we're seeing is amazing. Malis with area damage, a perandus blazon with avoid shock, legacy Kaom's with chaos res, thunderfists with curse on hit, and people are just getting started. It's looking like there are some pretty awesome benefits to be had

What is amazing? The items were ALREADY amazing before the vaal prob, I am saying the orb is going to be used in cases were you can abuse it instead of a general orb for everyone to use in a current version? How many people are going to vaal orb legacy kaom's for 4% chaos resist or legacy thunderfists for "vun curse on hit" when you do elemental damage.

I'm going to do shit like Vaal orb every Perandus Blazon in hopes of it getting something amazing and shoot it massively in power without any risk what so ever. The vaal orb encourages no risk vs reward as oppose to "risk vs reward". Your going to use it for skill gems, maps, and shit that will turn OP at almost no risk to yourself unless you want to Yoco for fun.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Your not going to Chaos 4 perfect affix item, that isn't the point of the item. Your going to reroll items that can statistically get much better then not better.

Exactly dude. If you already understand this basic principle then the rest of your post is irrelevant. You already understand that rerolling a near perfect item is almost always going to be a bad idea, you just seem to be set on the idea that it should be a better idea with this orb than it would be with a chaos or anything else.

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I'm going to do shit like Vaal orb every Perandus Blazon in hopes of it getting something amazing and shoot it massively in power without any risk what so ever.

Well now I'm just plain confused. Who's side are you on exactly? Seems you understand exactly what sort of items this is for, and you just accepted that under this sort of circumstance, you can get an amazing result with very little risk. It's just a case of knowing what to use it on.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Your not going to Chaos 4 perfect affix item, that isn't the point of the item. Your going to reroll items that can statistically get much better then not better.

Exactly dude. If you already understand this basic principle then the rest of your post is irrelevant. You already understand that rerolling a near perfect item is almost always going to be a bad idea, you just seem to be set on the idea that it should be a better idea with this orb than it would be with a chaos or anything else.

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I'm going to do shit like Vaal orb every Perandus Blazon in hopes of it getting something amazing and shoot it massively in power without any risk what so ever.

Well now I'm just plain confused. Who's side are you on exactly? Seems you understand exactly what sort of items this is for.

I am on nor your side or his side. I am stating the fact that the orb has a shitty design in it's current version but for some reason people like it compared to other currency.

A lowbie person can't make use of it, a mid tier person can't make use of it and a high tier person can't make use of it in normal play. It is exactly made for Yocoing and potential abuse usage in specific ways that remove all risk vs reward.

I was going to make a long post but I really don't give a fuck now. RagnarokChu explained it best.

Oh, and I was not lamenting it's perma nature or that it can give bad rolls.

and please don't use gender specific pronouns. Seriously, don't be a dick.