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pneuma wrote:

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ggs wrote:

Tell me all about my balls.

There are more balls in this post than the sum total of every other post in this entire forum.

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Well... should I?

Page 19, I've already done it. Now grow some balls and follow in my footsteps! >:3

This thread. These people corrupting legacys.

WTS

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fadox wrote:

WTS

Spoiler

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Iusia wrote:

I was going to make a long post but I really don't give a fuck now. RagnarokChu explained it best.

Oh, and I was not lamenting it's perma nature or that it can give bad rolls.

and please don't use gender specific pronouns. Seriously, don't be a dick.

Maturity at it's finest, folks! You can give up, but there's no need to be so salty or immature about it. I was never aware that it's only ok to refer to one gender as "dude" or that it was offensive to use it as a shorthand pronoun when having a conversation! Thanks for the lesson!

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RagnarokChu wrote:

A lowbie person can't make use of it, a mid tier person can't make use of it and a high tier person can't make use of it in normal play. It is exactly made for Yocoing and potential abuse usage in specific ways that remove all risk vs reward.

I'd say that that's entirely wrong. As stated before, you shouldn't be using Vaal Orbs, which we were told could have negative effects, on items that you can't readily replace. Don't take the risk if you can't afford it. The comparison between Vaal Orbs and Chaos Orbs makes this clear. If you only had a 500dps one hand to your name, you wouldn't chaos it to try to make it better unless you could afford to replace it. Likewise, you shouldn't Vaal your 6L Shavs unless you're prepared for the risk. Of course, you can bring in the argument of Eternal Orbs, but then you're failing to take into account that using a Vaal Orb on such an item could yield results far better than any Eternal+Exalting ever could. It's higher risk, higher reward, simple as that.

And as for people that can use the orb, Vaal Orbs can be used on gems. They can give quality and levels and still be leveled (up to 20) after that. Vaal Orbs can help you improve your leveling gear because you sure aren't going to Eternal+Exalt that level 30 sword to help you level faster but a Vaal Orb can be thrown at it in hopes of rolling something like Culling Strike or a curse on hit. Mid-tier players can use it exactly for what you said you would: rolling cheap uniques like Perandus Blazon in hopes of getting a mod that makes it better. High tier players, likewise, would do the same, but just on a larger scale. They can afford to use Vaal Orbs on high end uniques like a legacy 6L Shavs or a legacy Kaom's. They can craft amazing endgame items and then Vaal those to try to improve them past the old limitations. I can guarantee that will happen. They know the risk and they willingly take it and if it succeeds, they have an item worth vastly more than before and if they fail, they can try again because they have the resources to afford it. Seriously, the last line of the teaser image summary said "How much will you sacrifice" Vaal Orbs can roll some amazing things from what we've already seen and with rewards like that, it needs to have a pretty drastic downside.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

There is no other orb that makes something 100% "worse" and bricks the item and makes it completely unusable or slightly better.

Alch orb = Turn white item into rare = 100% benefit, can be bad or good depending on what the person needs.

Chaos = Rerandomize the items, most of the time used on shitty items anyway so you. Benefit varies if you got something good with chance of winning the lottery and getting a BIS item, Risk vs reward is proper. Your not going to use it on BIS rares for fun or anything decent really, has potential to make an item godly if your lucky to useless but you still keep sockets/links/color and you can still continue to work with the item.

Exalt = add something on the item, 100% benefit even if the mod sucks. You still have the item, all of the links and can rework it later if you had more currency.

Chance = Turn white item into anything from magic - unique. 100% benefit even if you get something crappy from the orb itself.

Divine/Blessed = Reroll items, you may reroll the item to be in a better state or worse off in a small range. Benefit varies depending on your result, your item does not blow up and suddenly becomes useless.

Vaal Orb = Chance to add something small to decent on the item, completely bricks the item to be unusable most of the time with no other change to it. Cannot ever change the item ever again, can never link it later/socket it/recolor/w.e.

Why are you defending the item as "fair" as other orbs, because it's "RNG" doesn't mean it's the same thing with the design of other orbs. All of the other orbs that have an RNG basis take an item and always have a chance of making it greater without a chance 100% total loss. This is like buying a lottery ticket and if you lose you get punched in the face.

Basically the same thing I said before. Your assessment of Chaos vs Vaal Orbs is so horribly off. Using a Chaos on a BIS or near-BIS item can leave you with a better one, but so can Vaal Orbs, and arguably with a much higher chance of doing so too. If a Chaos on a BIS item ends up giving you a worthless item, it might as well be bricked. "You can still continue to work on the item" is such a naive notion. The only "work" from there is a Scouring Orb so you're effectively bricking the item anyway. Sure, maybe it's a 6S or ilvl 78, but then you go right back to risk vs reward: Vaal Orbs can improve an item that has been Eternal+Exalted and then Divined to perfection, while a Chaos cannot. Vaal Orbs can also ruin items more than a Chaos could. I see no problem with the tradeoff.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Why are you defending the item as "fair" as other orbs, because it's "RNG" doesn't mean it's the same thing with the design of other orbs. All of the other orbs that have an RNG basis take an item and always have a chance of making it greater without a chance 100% total loss. This is like buying a lottery ticket and if you lose you get punched in the face.

You summed it up perfectly - "because it's 'RNG' doesn't mean it's the same thing with the design of other orbs." Why does a Vaal Orb have to have no permanent downside just because other orbs don't? Vaal orbs have an RNG basis take an item and always have a chance of making it better than any other orb can but with the chance of a 100% total loss.
And as for the lottery ticket analogy, that's just plain wrong. I'd say it's better than losing the lottery and it's pretty obvious why. When you lose the lottery, you get nothing. Congratulations, just lost your money. When you brick an item, you get some alt shards. If I chaos an item and get a 150dps sword, I get some alt shards. You could argue that it can be crafted it again, but no reasonable person is ever going to waste Chaos Orbs on something that has as much a chance of giving you a workable item as you do of winning the lottery.

As for other Orbs not making items worthless like a bricked one, let's go back to the ring example. Let's say I have a ring with +70 hp and dual +45 resists. I could easily sell that for 2.5-4ex. Now let's say I yolo it and get a +1 mana gained on kill roll. Sure, you could argue that it's technically "better" at that moment, but what you're failing to see is that the ring will never sell for more than 1.5ex now for a reason. How good an item is isn't only in what it immediately has; how good an item is is also determined by its potential. Anyone would gladly take the ring without the +1 mana gained on kill over its counterpart any day because it has a far greater potential for improvement.



tl;dr Vaal Orbs are fair. Higher possible reward than any other orb, higher possible risk than any other orb.

Hello Alpha's RF PvP helm?

Got more shit to burn but nobody selling Vaals :(

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Phog wrote:

Hello Alpha's RF PvP helm?

Got more shit to burn but nobody selling Vaals :(

Nice one!


Can those people arguing here take it to the feedback thread?
I merely want to enjoy the big balls in here.

2 now, ive also seen the same mod on saffels 2 other times, something tells me certain items can only roll certain mods from vaaling ?

i guess we need Chriskang to datamine what mod that can be spawn from vaalorb in each equipment slot.

let me come home and i'll