[2.2] Arly's Lightning Arrow - Elemental Pathfinder

"

huntsmon wrote:

thanks for the fast reply, i got another question in mind.
how do i choose my bow?
im used to picking the highest Pdps bow for TS/SA.
its my first time playing LA (new league).
for now VR is out of the question so im buying a rare bow.

checking the LA gem description, it says 2 things
1) 50% of Physical Damage converted to Lightning Damage
2) Deals (100 to 119)% of Base Attack Damage

according to the first, every point in physical damage is transferred to be 1/2 phys 1/2 lightning

the second one i dont really understand, what exactly is my "base attack damage"?

im checking your gear and ive see you picked a low pdps bow with a nice lightning damage. why is that? we dont have any lightning nodes as far as i can tell, why lightning gives the best damage outcome? (i understand the skill is "lightning" arrow but why lightning bonus is the best?)

thanks again

1)Simply put. 50% of the weapon's physical damage is converted to lightning damage.
2)This simply modifies your overall damage by this amount. At 100% you do full damage. At 70% which was the value when LA was nerfed, you do 30% less.

For this build, physical damage on gear (flat phys) is absolutely worthless because it is not strengthened by WED which is our primary amplifier and only half of physical damage on the bow is converted to ele damage. Get the highest rare EDPS bow (ideally with high cold/light damage) possible keeping in mind local crit chance is absolutely huge as is attack speed - until you can afford a voltaxic rift. Any random 180+ EDPS bow with around 1.4 APS and 6+ crit will do fine. A rare thicket bow that has good ele damage and a suffix slot open for crit chance is a great choice and currently what I use.


Cost me only 3 chaos and 250+ edps bows will be found and sold for around that much as time goes on. EPDS are dirt cheap and one of the biggest perks of this build.

http://poe.trade/search/woitesakorebin
240 EDPS bow going for a mere 3 chaos 4 days after league begins.

An example of damage output:

"

-A 300 pds bow vs a 240 edps bow same crit chance and attack speed.
-100% increased damage from tree.
-LA+WED

PDS bow : 150*2 + 150*2*1.59 = 777

EDPS bow : 240*2*1.59 = 762

You do not take lightning nodes because your attack consists of not just lightning damage but also cold(herald of ice), fire(anger), a tiny amount of physical from the bow and if youre not using voltaxic - all of the bow's fire and cold damage. Instead you should take projectile damage which will scale all damage dealt by your projectile skill. You do take chaos nodes for exactly the same reason, and also because their not point efficient.

why flat phys is worthless? i mean, when i put a phys dmg ring on me my LA damage will increased so what do you mean by worth less?

right now im using 4l armor (soon upgrading to 5l), is WED a must gem? i checked your build and if im not mistaken it is linked as the 5th gem LA - LMP - FA - CHAIN - WED

"

huntsmon wrote:

why flat phys is worthless? i mean, when i put a phys dmg ring on me my LA damage will increased so what do you mean by worth less?

right now im using 4l armor (soon upgrading to 5l), is WED a must gem? i checked your build and if im not mistaken it is linked as the 5th gem LA - LMP - FA - CHAIN - WED

Yes but WED multiplies final elemental damage by 1.59, physical does not get multiplied by that amount. Elemental will also proc ignite/shock/freeze on crit.

9-15 physical damage on this build will add significantly less dps than 9-15 elemental damage. and elemental damage go as high as 7-72 for lightning. I realize this is completely backwards from building a physical build with PPAD and seeing 9-15 flat phys add a tonne of damage.

you MUST use WED. I can not stress this enough. The entire build revolves around WED gem. Adding and removing the wed gem and comparing dps will help you see how important it is.


Until you can use bm gem:
4L: LA lmp chain wed
5L: LA lmp chain wed + added light or fa
6L: LA lmp chain wed + added light + fa

okay, changed my FA gem to WED and got a big damage loss.
so i figured i have to change my bow now (since my bow is pure phys).
i just bought the highest Edps for for 1c i could fine just to see the damage sheet.

which this bow: my dps is 2.1k

this the Ebow i just got , dps is 2.05k (a bit less).

is it because the Pdps bow is much better?

for the past 10m you changed my whole thinking of this build so it my get time to get use to


thanks for answering all my questions

"

huntsmon wrote:

okay, changed my FA gem to WED and got a big damage loss.
so i figured i have to change my bow now (since my bow is pure phys).
i just bought the highest Edps for for 1c i could fine just to see the damage sheet.

which this bow:

my dps is 2.1k

this the Ebow i just got

, dps is 2.05k (a bit less).

is it because the Pdps bow is much better?

for the past 10m you changed my whole thinking of this build so it my get time to get use to


thanks for answering all my questions

I think the pds bow has a bit higher dps and half of its physical is converted to light but youd have to do the math. Is your tree using projectile or physical bow nodes?

following your tree (with the exception of picking mana leech till i get 6l BM)

I have my current talisman tree posted on the first page which has mana leech and mana nodes though at this point i doubt even the latter are required.

"

Nephalim wrote:

I have my current talisman tree posted on the first page which has mana leech and mana nodes though at this point i doubt even the latter are required.

i see it now (i had the older version saved, before you posted the progress one)

to end our long discussion, can you please explain why is WED better than PPAD?
it seems like they are about the same no? more phs/more elemental damamge.

the only difference is the cost of phys items and elemental items?

"

huntsmon wrote:

"

Nephalim wrote:

I have my current talisman tree posted on the first page which has mana leech and mana nodes though at this point i doubt even the latter are required.

i see it now (i had the older version saved, before you posted the progress one)

to end our long discussion, can you please explain why is WED better than PPAD?
it seems like they are about the same no? more phs/more elemental damamge.

the only difference is the cost of phys items and elemental items?

For the most part yes, their almost symmetrical. However, prior to this patch, only physical could mana and life leech but not the case anymore. PDS bows also have a vastly higher dps ceiling and cost than ele bows. top PDS bow is like 600, top EDPS bow is 380 and voltaxic is only 240.
GGG made a terrible mistake they allowed PDS bow to scale to 600 dps in addition to having innate crit while simultaneously nerfing reflect yet left EDPS bows unchanged.

PPAD reduces your final attack speed by 10%. this is not 'reduced' this is "less".

Hi thanks for this build i got voltaxic and it's really strong.

I got some questions:

1°) Why Herald of Ice and not Herald of Thunder ?

2°) Why Lmp and not Gmp ? ( with the chain gmp clear pack faster no ? )

Thx :)