[Guide][HC] Fite's Detonate Dead Build (Scion/Templar/Witch)

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Ser_Mayhem wrote:

Warning, this build is very fun, powerful, cheap and whatever you want, but unfortunately not viable in HC, except if you completely avoid elemental reflect maps (which is very annoying when you start rolling 75+ maps....)

I made my way to level 84 in Invasion and i died today in my first map with elemental reflect, at the first mob pack. I just detonate a rare necromancer with only 3 or 4 mobs around, i had 5000 life, 85% fire res, MOM and AA level 20, not even double reflect...

So yes, maybe that was dumb to detonate this rare, but you can't do dozens of maps with reflect and never detonate any rare by accident, it's impossible, sooner or later you'll do it, and die instantly.

Yes, you can tell me i'm a noob and i should go softcore, but i made 3 char at level 90+ in an HC league, so i know how to survive in this game, and also, Fite himself who MADE this build and have a lot more practice than me, died to reflect too (you can see that on his stream)...

So, don't try this build in HC, it's not safe, reflect will destroy you sooner or later, just my 2 cents. :-)

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SilkTopHat wrote:

More is better, but 600-800 is sufficient if you aren't too aggressive with your play style. Helmets have higher ES rolls than gloves or boots, as I recall..

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blueblacklogcake wrote:

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SilkTopHat wrote:

More is better, but 600-800 is sufficient if you aren't too aggressive with your play style. Helmets have higher ES rolls than gloves or boots, as I recall..

Thanks for the advice. Just to clarify, do you mean 600-800 mana unreserved (with auras on)? I have only about 200 unreserved out of 700 max.

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RediusMaximus wrote:

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blueblacklogcake wrote:

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SilkTopHat wrote:

More is better, but 600-800 is sufficient if you aren't too aggressive with your play style. Helmets have higher ES rolls than gloves or boots, as I recall..

Thanks for the advice. Just to clarify, do you mean 600-800 mana unreserved (with auras on)? I have only about 200 unreserved out of 700 max.

600+ unreserved is what you need. There has to be a buffer, to make MoM worthwhile.

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Caessa wrote:

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Ser_Mayhem wrote:

Warning, this build is very fun, powerful, cheap and whatever you want, but unfortunately not viable in HC, except if you completely avoid elemental reflect maps (which is very annoying when you start rolling 75+ maps....)

I made my way to level 84 in Invasion and i died today in my first map with elemental reflect, at the first mob pack. I just detonate a rare necromancer with only 3 or 4 mobs around, i had 5000 life, 85% fire res, MOM and AA level 20, not even double reflect...

So yes, maybe that was dumb to detonate this rare, but you can't do dozens of maps with reflect and never detonate any rare by accident, it's impossible, sooner or later you'll do it, and die instantly.

Yes, you can tell me i'm a noob and i should go softcore, but i made 3 char at level 90+ in an HC league, so i know how to survive in this game, and also, Fite himself who MADE this build and have a lot more practice than me, died to reflect too (you can see that on his stream)...

So, don't try this build in HC, it's not safe, reflect will destroy you sooner or later, just my 2 cents. :-)

Says build is not hardcore viable.

Killed self by blowing up a Rare corpse with a bajillion HP.

Maybe you should learn the mechanics behind DD? The bigger the corpse, the bigger the boom. What you SHOULD have done was blow up one of those iddy biddy small skeletons. If I don't kill myself to reflect on softcore your hardcore build should fair even better.

EDIT: Let me reword this. I have killed myself to reflect by testing out reflect to see how much this build could handle.

This sums it up:

Vaal Det. Dead in Jungle Valley Boss room with ele reflect = death.

Det. Dead a rare corpse on a pack of 20 = death.

Det. Dead a golem on a mid sized pack = holy fuck i need to heal.

Det. Dead small corpses = lol what reflect?

EDIT 2: Workarounds: Don't get a ton of AoE nodes/gear/gems. Larger the area, more likely you are to hit more monsters.

Have RotP and a few Fire flasks on hand. Pop one everytime you face a largish pack.

Don't use Flamm. I have 4 curses I cycle through depending on the map mods. If it's reflect, I generally go Enfeeble + Flamm. If it gets REALLY bad for me I switch to Temp Chains.

Also, if you're running, say, Academy where it's hard to see corpses and stuff due to lighting you can just desecrate and blow those up instead. I try not to detonate other corpses in fear of reflect.

I also run with Cloak of Defiance and have just under 700 unreserved with up to 480 regen now depending on gear (currently using a 450 setup because i've been doing ele weakness maps) so I take much less reflect damage that way.

Don't follow a build blindly. Look at it and reinvent it to suit yourself. If you blindly follow a build then things will likely go bad. Not everyone has the same playstyle so Fite's build suits his style but might not suit yours.

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Don't follow a build blindly. Look at it and reinvent it to suit yourself. If you blindly follow a build then things will likely go bad. Not everyone has the same playstyle so Fite's build suits his style but might not suit yours.

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Ser_Mayhem wrote:

Yes i agree with you, with this build you have to pay attention, play smart, know the mechanic of DD, ect ect.

But my point is you can't always control what you do, believe me I knew the damage is 18% of corpse life when i right-clic on this rare by accident ; sooner or later you will missclic and detonate the wrong corpse, and the result is instant rip. With this build, you can kill yourself instantly for the slightest of mistake, that's why I said it's not safe to play it in an HC league.

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Ser_Mayhem wrote:

Fite Himself died to reflect, with his own build and playstyle; he detonate the invasion boss with mobs around, and i'm pretty sure he know the mechanic of DD.

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Caessa wrote:

Yeah he made a big error there. Not the build's fault at all. Player error can be mitigated but it wasn't. He didn't realize the boss was dead. It was an easy thing to play around but he did fuck up as we all do. It's not a hard fix to work around either.

All in all, this build isn't bad for hardcore at all. Every build can gib themselves accidentally but you just have to see what you did wrong and do it differently next time.