[Guide][HC] Fite's Detonate Dead Build (Scion/Templar/Witch)

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gasgsm wrote:

How do you killing bosses with this build?
I have vaal spark+gmp+lpen and vaal skeles in my ring gem slot but if boss not in closed space it does't help a lot
any tips?

Only 21 right now. About to hit 23 as both Empower is about to hit 2 and AA 20.

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Jarovb wrote:

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Caessa wrote:

Just tested this build against Double Reflect (Ele Reflect inside Ele Reflect map) in a 78 Palace.

Nada.

No sweat. Blew right past it. I tried to rip myself and couldn't. 450 mana regen OP.

As long as you play smart and don't blow up rare corpses reflect is no worry.

But on map without reflect you can blow up rares, bosses and invaders? What is you gear now?

Oh yeah. Boom goes the dynamite when there's no reflect.

Gear:

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gasgsm wrote:

How do you killing bosses with this build?
I have vaal spark+gmp+lpen and vaal skeles in my ring gem slot but if boss not in closed space it does't help a lot
any tips?

Depending on the boss(es) I do a number of things.

Against Residence Dom I run in, double curse him while running in circles to not get caught by his minions or his beam. Lay down a desecrate while still doing circles, then detonate and try to hit his minions and him if possible. The prolif will slowly take him down. Just keep moving. This build is tanky but not face-tanky. In other words, keep on moving.

Against Courtyard's 3 bosses what I do is run and just curse everything and keep moving counter clockwise until everything is following me. At that point you should be fast enough to outpace them. Lay down corpses at your feet, wait for them to get over it, blow it up. They should prolif and burn themselves to death. Me and my friend just duoed Double Boss Courtyard (6 bosses) on a 4 man party (1 RIP'ed and our MFer was hiding because she didn't want to die).

Some bosses you CAN facetank like Shipyard. Just searing bond, and blow bodies up on him.

I use a flame totem,blind,faster casting, GMP for physical opponents and it work well. But searing Bond can be Also good. I have 5 link cloak od defiance and other body armour with 100 max life. When i use cloak i lose 400hp i think cloak isnt better in this case. Or maybe 10% more MOm is worth it?
Second curse give you much more damage?
Molten shell is better then incrase duration?
And one more thing. I use discipline in place of grace and i think discipline give me Vetter deffence. I have more free mana for mom. What do you think abou it? Thanks for answer

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Jarovb wrote:

I use a flame totem,blind,faster casting, GMP for physical opponents and it work well. But searing Bond can be Also good. I have 5 link cloak od defiance and other body armour with 100 max life. When i use cloak i lose 400hp i think cloak isnt better in this case. Or maybe 10% more MOm is worth it?
Second curse give you much more damage?
Molten shell is better then incrase duration?
And one more thing. I use discipline in place of grace and i think discipline give me Vetter deffence. I have more free mana for mom. What do you think abou it? Thanks for answer

I find the 10% to be immensely helpful. The regen is also amazing. I'm now at 475 mana regen thanks to it.

Second Curse = more damage OR defense. I can switch out Enfeeble, Temp Chains, Ele Weakness, Flamm, etc...

Molten Shell isn't better but I'm using it until I can get a quality Increased Duration. Too lazy to switch out otherwise. The linkage is to stop stunlocking, nothing else.

Well seeing as I have almost 700 unreserved mana I'm content without Discipline. I like having more armor.

So... Now what? Any1 done Atziri w this build?

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Dkodr wrote:

So...

Now what? Any1 done Atziri w this build?

Atziri cannot be ignited, so a significant portion of this build's offense is nullified. It doesn't have particularly high cast speed, so its Lightning Warps are not especially fast. It has a wide AoE attack, meaning it's possible to hit the reflection portion of Atziri when she splits.

I can't help but feel that other builds would be better suited to killing her.

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SilkTopHat wrote:

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Dkodr wrote:

So...

Now what? Any1 done Atziri w this build?

Atziri cannot be ignited, so a significant portion of this build's offense is nullified. It doesn't have particularly high cast speed, so its Lightning Warps are not especially fast. It has a wide AoE attack, meaning it's possible to hit the reflection portion of Atziri when she splits.

I can't help but feel that other builds would be better suited to killing her.

Yeah. If we fight her we have to Searing Bond + Fire Trap I think.

Also, if you take out most of the AoE nodes + use the Cloak like me, you have no fear of hitting her reflect form.

I also have the 4 fragments and am level 90 and was wondering the same thing.

Will the reflect form actually kill me through 91% fire res and lvl 24 AA (with IF)?

I absorb about 300 fire damage, so the first 3300 fire damage does nothing, and I take 9% from everything above that. With 4500 life and 500 MoM mana, I would have to take a hit of about 58K fire damage for a oneshot. Is that going to happen?

Alternatively, I would have to hit x creatures with my explosion for 3K+55K/x damage, which for large x would be more likely.

I use Carcass Jack, do not use Increased AOE and have left out many of the 4% AOE nodes to avoid any and all chance of reflect.

Hi, I'm looking to switch to using DD at about level 70 or so (leveled as dual searing bond), so I have a few questions to ask:

If I can only afford a 5L chest which support gems should I be using? It says DD, Fire Penetration, Chance to Ignite, Ele Prolif, Conc Effect according to the guide; is it harder to hit mobs without increased AOE though, or can I get by on AOE radius passives?

How useful is quality on DD (increased cast speed)?

I currently don't have EB nor MoM, so how much mana should I try to have after I respec into it? Most of my gear is currently armor/evasion so I'm wondering which slots are the most efficient to get ES besides chest and shield.

Should I get a mana or hybrid flask after speccing into MoM? Do I have to use clarity on blood magic to get a bigger mana pool?


I'm trying to make my passive tree look like this when I spec out of totem nodes and start using DD. Should I drop any more damage nodes for life or AOE passives?


Sorry if I'm asking too many questions, I've never tried using EB/MoM before so I'm not sure how good is it for defense.

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blueblacklogcake wrote:

Hi, I'm looking to switch to using DD at about level 70 or so (leveled as dual searing bond), so I have a few questions to ask:

If I can only afford a 5L chest which support gems should I be using? It says DD, Fire Penetration, Chance to Ignite, Ele Prolif, Conc Effect according to the guide; is it harder to hit mobs without increased AOE though, or can I get by on AOE radius passives?

Some players prefer to skip the AoE nodes to avoid issues with damage reflection. You should be fine without them.

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blueblacklogcake wrote:

How useful is quality on DD (increased cast speed)?

Quite. 60% cast speed (at 20% quality) is a large increase.

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blueblacklogcake wrote:

I currently don't have EB nor MoM, so how much mana should I try to have after I respec into it? Most of my gear is currently armor/evasion so I'm wondering which slots are the most efficient to get ES besides chest and shield.

More is better, but 600-800 is sufficient if you aren't too aggressive with your play style. Helmets have higher ES rolls than gloves or boots, as I recall.

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blueblacklogcake wrote:

Should I get a mana or hybrid flask after speccing into MoM? Do I have to use clarity on blood magic to get a bigger mana pool?

Flask choice is really up to preference and the amount of mana regeneration you end up with. Don't reserve your life.

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blueblacklogcake wrote:

I'm trying to make my passive tree look like this when I spec out of totem nodes and start using DD. Should I drop any more damage nodes for life or AOE passives?

This is another matter of preference. This looks fine. I wouldn't add any more damage in, though. Don't forget about the great life nodes at the templar starting area.

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blueblacklogcake wrote:

Sorry if I'm asking too many questions, I've never tried using EB/MoM before so I'm not sure how good is it for defense.

EB + MOM makes a player tougher in short encounters. EB + MOM + active leeching makes a player tough in extended encounters. (Very high regeneration can stand in for leech somewhat effectively.) Very hard hits will still hurt.

Consider this perspective: while you still have mana, your effective life is multiplied by about 1.4 (1/0.7 ~ 1.43). More effective life makes you harder to kill. However, it's better than that simple comparison suggests, as your mana regeneration is likely much higher than your life regeneration. If you leverage this to your advantage, the combination is quite effective at making normal situations safer. Dangerous situations will likely remain dangerous.

Warning, this build is very fun, powerful, cheap and whatever you want, but unfortunately not viable in HC, except if you completely avoid elemental reflect maps (which is very annoying when you start rolling 75+ maps....)

I made my way to level 84 in Invasion and i died today in my first map with elemental reflect, at the first mob pack. I just detonate a rare necromancer with only 3 or 4 mobs around, i had 5000 life, 85% fire res, MOM and AA level 20, not even double reflect...

So yes, maybe that was dumb to detonate this rare, but you can't do dozens of maps with reflect and never detonate any rare by accident, it's impossible, sooner or later you'll do it, and die instantly.

Yes, you can tell me i'm a noob and i should go softcore, but i made 3 char at level 90+ in an HC league, so i know how to survive in this game, and also, Fite himself who MADE this build and have a lot more practice than me, died to reflect too (you can see that on his stream)...

So, don't try this build in HC, it's not safe, reflect will destroy you sooner or later, just my 2 cents. :-)