Barrage Wonder Wanderer – how to DEMOLISH maps (1.3.X)
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Dokyo wrote:
Well I'll just relate my experience using a 6 link. Barrage, CoC, Life Leech all must stay so that leaves me 3 slots. Most of the gems below I will refer to I have at lvl 17. EK 307–460, Arc 21–401, Arctic Breath 164–247, and fireball 267-401.
Chain + EK + Arc
Some of the best clearing speed on packs due to shock stacks, also it will clear stuff in all directions because of chain. Was running this a lot at first. Single target damage is not very good. This is still what I mostly run in groups.
Chain + EK + Arctic Breath
This is what I'm running mostly now solo, perhaps not quite as much damage because no shocking. The fact that everything gets frozen and slowed is not to be overlooked though. It also still pretty much wipes out large packs instantly. Also not very good damage single target.
Chain + EK + Fireball
Tried this and didn't like it at all. No shock stacks, no freezing, just didn't feel as good to me so I stopped using it after just a few runs of testing it out.
Chain + Arc + Arctic Breath
Tried this out for fun, not any good really. The shocking and freezing is nice, but EK just provides to much damage. Also sucks against magic/rare mobs with high resist all elements.
GMP + Fireball + Arctic Breath
With no chain you don't hit everything around you so you have to focus your spray more. Can still kill packs pretty quickly, but not as fast as the EK + Chain + something combo. Much better single target, but only if you are up somewhat close for the shotgun effect. Getting in close to get max damage could be an issue depending on your survivability. I ran this for a little while and it was fun, but I ended up going back to chain + ek + ab. It just seemed overall clearing speed was better the other way, although I could take down single target stuff this way quicker.
Chain + GMP + Arctic Breath or Fireball
Fun and ridiculous looking, in a good way, not particularly useful though.
Other thoughts and questions I have still.
I didn't try any GMP + EK + something setups because I feel like it's waste since GMP doesn't do much for EK.
Using the GMP setup might be better with Fireball and Freezing Pulse instead of Arctic Breath because FP might shotgun better. I'm also curious to try it with Ice Spear. My FP gem is 14 and Ice Spear 12 so I can't really test them on par with my lvl 17 gems.
There is always the option of carrying them all around and switching back and forth, but I find this is a pain in the ass and not fun to do. It also just slows you down having to do that and might not even be worth it for pure clearing speed. So I'm trying to decide what the best all purpose combo is.
The above is just my opinion and I'm sure some will disagree, but I've enjoyed reading what other people have found so I thought I should share what I've found works best for me.
Currently my gear is not that great so I'm only at 62%/60% crit mainhand/offhand. Once I get it up higher some of this might change, but I'm guessing it will mostly work out the same.
Tanks for the post, it is very useful. I would add Firestorm to your test. I like this gem because it is good single target damage and life leech is very fluent from it. Fireballs drops so fast that I feel like have huge life regeneration and that allows me to tank. But I like EK + Arc/Sparks (Arc in open areas, Sparks indoor) or EK + Arctic Breath.
Maligaro: 1 ex
Rat's nest: 2-3 ex
5L-6L armor: 10 ex (minimum)
Or Tabula Rasa ~1-2 ex but that makes me really easy to be killed.
And the rest...
Bought both Maligaro/Rat's nest for 1ex each. 5L's only go for 5-15c, and 6L Tabula can be helpful as long as you kite well. The rest you can find as you farm and level (I bought some wands at only 1c each, just need to look carefully).
On the subject of favorite combos, my base is Chain + Power Charge on Crit or use a Voll's Protector armor. (5 charges = +250%!) Y'all are right. Ethereal Knives is hard to give up. But if you can afford the mana cost, Chain + LMP + Fireball or Ice Spear is pretty ridiculous/fun. You either blow up or freeze everything on the screen. I'm curious why people prefer Arctic Breath over Ice Spear?
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dehogynem wrote:
Well let's see:
Maligaro: 1 ex
Rat's nest: 2-3 ex
5L-6L armor: 10 ex (minimum)
Or Tabula Rasa ~1-2 ex but that makes me really easy to be killed.
And the rest...
Eww. Is Standard League's economy really that bad? Rat's Nest is usually around 20c in Dom.
Everything else on your list, my party and I found on the ground. Do you have a guild or friends to play with? That would solve a lot of the items and dying issues.
EDIT: Okay, stupid question but why Barrage with a Dual Wield build? What am I missing here?
Last edited by feyith#0081 on Jan 24, 2014, 12:17:15 PM
Well I'll just relate my experience using a 6 link. Barrage, CoC, Life Leech all must stay so that leaves me 3 slots. Most of the gems below I will refer to I have at lvl 17. EK 307–460, Arc 21–401, Arctic Breath 164–247, and fireball 267-401.
Chain + EK + Arc
Some of the best clearing speed on packs due to shock stacks, also it will clear stuff in all directions because of chain. Was running this a lot at first. Single target damage is not very good. This is still what I mostly run in groups.
Chain + EK + Arctic Breath
This is what I'm running mostly now solo, perhaps not quite as much damage because no shocking. The fact that everything gets frozen and slowed is not to be overlooked though. It also still pretty much wipes out large packs instantly. Also not very good damage single target.
Chain + EK + Fireball
Tried this and didn't like it at all. No shock stacks, no freezing, just didn't feel as good to me so I stopped using it after just a few runs of testing it out.
Chain + Arc + Arctic Breath
Tried this out for fun, not any good really. The shocking and freezing is nice, but EK just provides to much damage. Also sucks against magic/rare mobs with high resist all elements.
GMP + Fireball + Arctic Breath
With no chain you don't hit everything around you so you have to focus your spray more. Can still kill packs pretty quickly, but not as fast as the EK + Chain + something combo. Much better single target, but only if you are up somewhat close for the shotgun effect. Getting in close to get max damage could be an issue depending on your survivability. I ran this for a little while and it was fun, but I ended up going back to chain + ek + ab. It just seemed overall clearing speed was better the other way, although I could take down single target stuff this way quicker.
Chain + GMP + Arctic Breath or Fireball
Fun and ridiculous looking, in a good way, not particularly useful though.
Other thoughts and questions I have still.
I didn't try any GMP + EK + something setups because I feel like it's waste since GMP doesn't do much for EK.
Using the GMP setup might be better with Fireball and Freezing Pulse instead of Arctic Breath because FP might shotgun better. I'm also curious to try it with Ice Spear. My FP gem is 14 and Ice Spear 12 so I can't really test them on par with my lvl 17 gems.
There is always the option of carrying them all around and switching back and forth, but I find this is a pain in the ass and not fun to do. It also just slows you down having to do that and might not even be worth it for pure clearing speed. So I'm trying to decide what the best all purpose combo is.
The above is just my opinion and I'm sure some will disagree, but I've enjoyed reading what other people have found so I thought I should share what I've found works best for me.
Currently my gear is not that great so I'm only at 62%/60% crit mainhand/offhand. Once I get it up higher some of this might change, but I'm guessing it will mostly work out the same.
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LeMing wrote:
Tanks for the post, it is very useful. I would add Firestorm to your test. I like this gem because it is good single target damage and life leech is very fluent from it. Fireballs drops so fast that I feel like have huge life regeneration and that allows me to tank. But I like EK + Arc/Sparks (Arc in open areas, Sparks indoor) or EK + Arctic Breath.
I would like to try firestorm at some point, I did read earlier in the thread that it worked well with vaal pack. I don't have and decent level firestorm though so I'll have to throw one on a second weapon set and start getting it leveled. I also forgot to mention I did try storm call and it didn't work for me at all. Everything was either dead or moved out of the way before they went off. I find myself mostly using Chain + EK + Arc for content that's easier, and then I'll switch to Chain + EK + Arctic breath for content that I think is more dangerous to me.
Last edited by Dokyo#4159 on Jan 24, 2014, 12:28:38 PM
Maligaro: 1 ex
Rat's nest: 2-3 ex
5L-6L armor: 10 ex (minimum)
Or Tabula Rasa ~1-2 ex but that makes me really easy to be killed.
And the rest...
Eww. Is Standard League's economy really that bad? Rat's Nest is usually around 20c in Dom.
Everything else on your list, my party and I found on the ground. Do you have a guild or friends to play with? That would solve a lot of the items and dying issues.
EDIT: Okay, stupid question but why Barrage with a Dual Wield build? What am I missing here?
I'm playing in Dominion leage. I have found only 2 Rat's nest for sale one was 4 ex the other 3 ex.
Maybe im not playing enough...:)
I dont have guild, and none of my firends are playing this game, that makes a little bit harder that's for sure.
By the way, i just bought chain. Man, that gem is like the core of this build, without chain i died all the time, and my killing speed was s*it even with 60% crit.
Last edited by dehogynem#1827 on Jan 24, 2014, 3:25:15 PM
How much crit should you get? i currently have 76.8% on both hands, i still have 3 nodes (45% global crit chance).Is it dps wise to replace one 30% global diamond crit ring with le heup de all iron ring (20% increse damage)
Maligaro: 1 ex
Rat's nest: 2-3 ex
5L-6L armor: 10 ex (minimum)
Or Tabula Rasa ~1-2 ex but that makes me really easy to be killed.
And the rest...
Eww. Is Standard League's economy really that bad? Rat's Nest is usually around 20c in Dom.
Everything else on your list, my party and I found on the ground. Do you have a guild or friends to play with? That would solve a lot of the items and dying issues.
EDIT: Okay, stupid question but why Barrage with a Dual Wield build? What am I missing here?
I'm playing in Dominion leage. I have found only 2 Rat's nest for sale one was 4 ex the other 3 ex.
Maybe im not playing enough...:)
I dont have guild, and none of my firends are playing this game, that makes a little bit harder that's for sure.
By the way, i just bought chain. Man, that gem is like the core of this build, without chain i died all the time, and my killing speed was s*it even with 60% crit.
Not sure where you're looking that they were that expensive. When I was looking for mine would usually see 2-3 a night that were up. Yes a perfect one would be ~3-4 ex, but any Rat's Nest is better than no Rat's Nest.
Chain definitely increases the kill speed, although without it Fork does a better than decent job (Against a cluster it's virtually as good, when they're spread out it's a little weaker).
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