[2.6] Yalani's Low Life Righteous Fire Build

Gotcha. Checking prices on Shavs and it seems I'm a little off that price still. I'll farm up a bit more until I can afford one.

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

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Placebo334 wrote:

Hey, I wanted to ask a question.

So I know this isn't a cheap build, and I only have two exalts. But I feel I have most of the real expensive stuff for the build from my LL wander. I have a 6link Shavs, presence of chuyula, vinktars, and an energy within jewel, along with a decent crystal belt with resists(has some mods I wont want with this build but has 125 ES on it so it'll do fine for now). I also have a level 2 and level 3 Enlighten and a level 2 empower.

Basically will this plus the two ex be enough to get a functioning version of this build going or would I be better off farming a bit more on my wander?

You need shavs ring and crafted delirium gloves.

You don't need a shav's ring if you play guardian variant.

But yeah delirium gloves are vital but im sure he could find a low es pair for fairly cheap to get him going.

I mostly want to get the build going and see if I like it before I fully cannibalize my wander. If I end up really liking it I think I can get around 12 ex for the gear I'm not switching over which would set me up better.

Oh I also want to do the trickster variation because it seems neat, that info would help.

Thanks for the help!

Well, honestly looking at Guardian dps numbers vs Trickster said it all for me. Noooo thank you @ Guardian.

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Placebo334 wrote:

I mostly want to get the build going and see if I like it before I fully cannibalize my wander. If I end up really liking it I think I can get around 12 ex for the gear I'm not switching over which would set me up better.

Oh I also want to do the trickster variation because it seems neat, that info would help.

Thanks for the help!

LL RF is average budget cost build to start with, since you just need Shav as it's core item, and a 23 PoF from somewhere (Vertex/Empower/21+Unset). It'll however, gets exponentially more expensive the further you go. The helmet enchant for one is about as expensive as an enchant as you can get on a build (4-5.5ex). Gloves are cheap if you're lucky, a 150ES should rate somewhere around 1.5-2.5ex, anything higher than 200 then it becomes quite ridiculous.

I'm not gonna recommend one ascendacy over the other, but if you pick Trickster solely because of DPS. I'd have to say that, there's also a misconception in regards to Trickster having significantly higher dps than Guardian due to how Yalani listed the comparison in the OP. He/she wasn't comparing the two on the gear section, and listed what he used on either ascendancies, and for some odd reason take the numbers on those and listed as a metric of comparison, despite the two not being in the same ground. It's obvious if you compare one with Elemental Weakness and the other one who does not use it, *duh* ofc the one with EW would come far on top in terms of dps. In addition, Yalani also didn't mention one thing, Trickster 'needs' a Shav Revelation to be on par with Guardian's sustain. Guardian however, needs nothing on that ring spot. Which allows for two opal rings, or two moonstones with Fire %, something that Trickster can not do, at least not without sacrificing sustainability.

The only benefit Trickster has over Guardian in terms of DPS is Patient Reaper (you can easily match 30% inc. damage over time bonus with just one opal ring), You can match Shade Form's differences in total ES via gear and Guardian passives, which is quite surprisingly not that huge (you can check them in PoB if you want). Early on when you don't have much to invest on rings/gear overall. Trickster would perform better in terms of DPS. Late in the game however, when you're all geared up and minmaxed the gear, Guardian is by far the better choice mainly because it can be used to farm Guardians and Shaper more reliably than Trickster, imho. But up 2 u.

Hope this helps.

I stand corrected.

Well, sounds like I wasted a whole lots exalt and shoulda gone Guardian.

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

How would guardian spam shield charge to proc Ele equilibrium? It can't. Not without blood magic support gem. Not sure what you're gonna sacrifice to do that. Whirling Blades is not on the same level for the build at least IMO.

My guardian can easily spam shield slam for EE... it costs 10 mana with 38 mana/sec w.o clarity. Shits so cheap, you aren't playing like, vaal fireball, and shield slamming 10x/second.


Anyway, out of Ele Weakness/Vuln/Flammability, whats the best offensive curse? Can't figure out from the spreadsheet and Ele Weak/Flam have same -% res, and unsure how they stack up against Vuln. Or if I should just get a Witchfire Brew, and use Ele Weak/Flam and not consider Vuln.
Thanks in advance.

Edit: Thinking about it, Ele Weak seems to always be behind Flam, do you just use it because its a better party-playing curse?

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I'm not gonna recommend one ascendacy over the other, but if you pick Trickster solely because of DPS. I'd have to say that, there's also a misconception in regards to Trickster having significantly higher dps than Guardian due to how Yalani listed the comparison in the OP. He/she wasn't comparing the two on the gear section, and listed what he used on either ascendancies, and for some odd reason take the numbers on those and listed as a metric of comparison, despite the two not being in the same ground. It's obvious if you compare one with Elemental Weakness and the other one who does not use it, *duh* ofc the one with EW would come far on top in terms of dps. In addition, Yalani also didn't mention one thing, Trickster 'needs' a Shav Revelation to be on par with Guardian's sustain. Guardian however, needs nothing on that ring spot. Which allows for two opal rings, or two moonstones with Fire %, something that Trickster can not do, at least not without sacrificing sustainability.

Both are calculated with EW in mind. Some things have changed though and some parts of the guide aren't updated yet, so you are right that the difference in DPS (and ES) between Guardian and Trickster isn't as high as shown in the OP anymore.

Clearspeed is also way higher than it was in the past due to Presence of Chayula, which allows us to use Prayer of Glory instead of Bastion of Hope.

Added my current Legacy Guardian to the characterlist btw.

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How would guardian spam shield charge to proc Ele equilibrium? It can't. Not without blood magic support gem. Not sure what you're gonna sacrifice to do that. Whirling Blades is not on the same level for the build at least IMO.

I honestly have no idea how someone can NOT sustain SS on a Guardian.

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Anyway, out of Ele Weakness/Vuln/Flammability, whats the best offensive curse? Can't figure out from the spreadsheet and Ele Weak/Flam have same -% res, and unsure how they stack up against Vuln. Or if I should just get a Witchfire Brew, and use Ele Weak/Flam and not consider Vuln.
Thanks in advance.

1 offensive curse = Flammabulity or Ele Weakness
2 offensive curses = 1 Resistance curse + Vulnerability.

I stand corrected. Sounds like I wasted alot of time and exalt and shoulda gone Guardian. Kinda sums up my whole time in PoE>

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

Well, honestly looking at Guardian dps numbers vs Trickster said it all for me. Noooo thank you @ Guardian.

I was going to write an explanation on why this is a misconception but someone above me explained it very well.

But I will say that I personally have tried out both guardian and trickster variants, and to me personally, guardian is vastly superior once you reach top end gear and high level.

The only thing trickster had for me that was better was slightly faster shield charge/whirling due to faster attack speed but guardian was more effective in every other way