[1.0.X] [Witch/Templar] Multiple discharge + cast on damage + cast on stun = AFK mass destruction

This is a very nice build indeed, I'm trying it myself with a lvl 37 witch that took Vaal pact going through the dex nodes. I was going to make a Cast On Crit build with her, but since the passive choices are pretty much the same and I have the main items (Voll's and Divinarius), I decided to give it a try.

But since I took the dex side of the tree, I'll try to grab the extra 3 frenzy charges + Diamond Flesh passives (will have to sacrifice some damage or ES nodes for that, but I guess it's worth it)

At what point did you actually start using this gem setup? Right now both my ES and monsters' damage are not high enough to trigger CwDT often, and my CwStun gems are unleveled, so I have to use regular spells instead.

My current skill tree is like this:

lvl 37 skill tree

For my end-game build, I aim for something like this (after a few respecs):

end-game build

My Voll's Protector is 6s/4L, but it'll have to do without the crit dmg and crit strike gems until I get a 5L or hopefully a 6L.

I've been using this dagger for a couple levels - it was a recent actual drop - and I think I just realized it is actually very GG .

I a couple more levels I can use this .

Sure the void bringer will give an extra power charge, but looking at the whole picture, I think my current dagger might actually be better for this build. Am I overlooking something? Thoughts?

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Os_Pirata wrote:

This is a very nice build indeed, I'm trying it myself with a lvl 37 witch that took Vaal pact going through the dex nodes. I was going to make a Cast On Crit build with her, but since the passive choices are pretty much the same and I have the main items (Voll's and Divinarius), I decided to give it a try.

But since I took the dex side of the tree, I'll try to grab the extra 3 frenzy charges + Diamond Flesh passives (will have to sacrifice some damage or ES nodes for that, but I guess it's worth it)

At what point did you actually start using this gem setup? Right now both my ES and monsters' damage are not high enough to trigger CwDT often, and my CwStun gems are unleveled, so I have to use regular spells instead.

My current skill tree is like this:

lvl 37 skill tree

For my end-game build, I aim for something like this (after a few respecs):

end-game build

My Voll's Protector is 6s/4L, but it'll have to do without the crit dmg and crit strike gems until I get a 5L or hopefully a 6L.

I thought of this spec when I got a free respec at relaese and was about level 75 at that time. So I don't have a levelling experience with it. I think you are right to use manual spells for levelling.

Taking frenzy charges is a good idea. I am going to take Cruelty node on the strength part of the tree.

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robble wrote:

I've been using this dagger for a couple levels - it was a recent actual drop - and I think I just realized it is actually very GG

.

I a couple more levels I can use this

.

Sure the void bringer will give an extra power charge, but looking at the whole picture, I think my current dagger might actually be better for this build. Am I overlooking something? Thoughts?

Hmm. As we don't need cast speed, dagger looks better for me. It has 80% more spell crit and 70% less spell damage. However spell damage is so high only at 8 power charges and can be even lower than on dagger with less. Most likely 8 charges will be when AoEing a group of mobs and AoE DPS is already fine. More reliable rolling of charges from higher crit chance looks better.

Hello,

I just wanted to say "thank you" for this awesome build for lazy buggers like myself ;)

I respecced my witch 2 weeks ago, since I had almost all of the required gear sleeping in my stash. The first days were so so, since I needed to level my gems, but now, I just feel unstoppable. I just finished a double boss Jungle Valley with elemental reflect and enfeeble, the fight was over in less than 10s. I also destroyed the "new" Shock & Horror yesterday.

I can't wait for my discharge gems to reach level 20 and get these few extra points (level 83 at the moment) for even more crit chance / charges / ES.

It is not as if I really needed them though, they will just be some icing on the cake ;)

PS: Regarding power charges generators, I did several tests and the best setup is definitely, even with the 250 ms cooldown, 2 ice spears, because of the 600% second form crit chance. Way better and consistent than fireball, freezing pulse or firestorm.

My gear and gem setup:

What about Bandits? (Normal,Cruel, Merciless)

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Redzor wrote:

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robble wrote:

I've been using this dagger for a couple levels - it was a recent actual drop - and I think I just realized it is actually very GG

.

I a couple more levels I can use this

.

Sure the void bringer will give an extra power charge, but looking at the whole picture, I think my current dagger might actually be better for this build. Am I overlooking something? Thoughts?

Hmm. As we don't need cast speed, dagger looks better for me. It has 80% more spell crit and 70% less spell damage. However spell damage is so high only at 8 power charges and can be even lower than on dagger with less. Most likely 8 charges will be when AoEing a group of mobs and AoE DPS is already fine. More reliable rolling of charges from higher crit chance looks better.

If i use both items (one in each hand) does i have the benefits of both weapon on my discharge?

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19nicolas81 wrote:

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Redzor wrote:

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robble wrote:

I've been using this dagger for a couple levels - it was a recent actual drop - and I think I just realized it is actually very GG

.

I a couple more levels I can use this

.

Sure the void bringer will give an extra power charge, but looking at the whole picture, I think my current dagger might actually be better for this build. Am I overlooking something? Thoughts?

Hmm. As we don't need cast speed, dagger looks better for me. It has 80% more spell crit and 70% less spell damage. However spell damage is so high only at 8 power charges and can be even lower than on dagger with less. Most likely 8 charges will be when AoEing a group of mobs and AoE DPS is already fine. More reliable rolling of charges from higher crit chance looks better.

If i use both items (one in each hand) does i have the benefits of both weapon on my discharge?

You can only dual wield either 2 daggers or 2 wands, not one of each type. But yes, if you get another good dagger or another good wand you'll get all the benefits. You can even dual wild two Void Batteries.

Just keep in mind that you'll lose a huge chunk of your ES, which is essential to soak up all the damage and keep you alive. My guess is you'd need very very high ES helmet, gloves and boots to be worth it, since we can't rely on the chestpiece for that. But since you also play in Standard League, it's worth a try =)

Hiho,
since I play a similar build like this in Domination and many people asked for a guide, i thought i might add to your very nice guide some Infos for Domination.

I play a Witch with Power and Frenzy Charges and this char has no probs to clear both 77 maps with up to 4 players (havent testet it with more). Only the bosses are still a problem and need a bit more time ;)

So this my Passive tree:


And Gear:


And Flasks:


I Skilled the Aura effect, cause i use Purity of elements/Discipline, and 26% Effect just add a bit ES/RES

I Have about 4,8k ES and ofc full resi.
Damage of main Discharge is at max at 40k, doesn't sound to much, but is more then enough to hold you alive.

Favourite Maps are Junglevalley with 2 Bosses (MASS Spiders) and Museum with 2 Bosses (6 Uniques Bosses ;))

Problems occure due to thorned Shrine (DEADLY), havent testet ele reflect maps so far. Ele reflect bosses are no Prob ofc.
Some Bosses need a bit long to kill since, i dont have the nice advantage of volls devotion, and for Dominus i need about 1-3 Tps to kill him.

Soon i will change the Cast when Stunned on the second discharge to a lvled Cast on damage taken, since its sometimes risky to only rely on one 100% discharge.

Greetings

I recently converted my 87 templar to CI using regular discharge and I would like some advice, mainly concerning armor and iron reflexes. Here is my skill tree :

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgUBAecEBwVbEHsRLxLhFdcZLho4GlUabB8CIWAn7Si1KU8ppSo4KwoshSy_LR8t0jbFNug62ECgQ2NG10cGTLNN2E4qUDBWY1cNWPVZ81oaXcZe-l9qYSFjQ2SjZp5tGXBScNVxTXTxgh6Cm4V9hq6IQohri4yMdo_6kFWZmprPna6dxJ65ns2fy6LqpwinMKeErKq0xbUEtkG297cxvjrAGsBRwQDBxcHzwuzDbdIh14bYJNlh2xrbXtvn4XPjhOQi62PsGOw47SDvTvId8uH1S_yr

and my gear (circlet, belt and spirit shield are trash and just temporary)



Currently at 4.6k ES but it'll go up with better circlet and shield. My main concern is the value of IR. Right now, I'm at 1.5k armor with IR, 500 without. Granted I have a granite running almost all the time, I was wondering if I should respec those points to get more ES, or keep running IR. I don't have enough mana to run grace unfortunately. Any help is appreciated, thanks.