Dec 9: 3h Solo Turbo HC
" Exactly what Kotao said. And it is a silly statement duolc saying that it takes time to make a trade, what, a total of 30 seconds? You know full well many players are communicating with each other and making a trade is very simple with little to no time loss, so stop exaggerating the details as if it is complicated and time consuming to do. Dealing with RNG is all about decision making, of course lucky people will have an advantage but a race comprises of hundreds of small choices across the time limit and these choices have a large factor in where a player finishes. I do know one thing for sure, your view of the matter is extremely bias, you made it very clear before this thread from the last race, you traded many items, and clearly you know several players. I wonder if you would be so in favour of trading if you yourself had no one to give or receive items in a race, yet everyone else was doing it, I guess you would find yourself at a huge disadvantage. It does destroy the integrity of a race, and you are in favour of this because you know you can benefit more than most players, since you are in contact and know many of the top racers. Absolutely amazes me how this argument comes up every single time, where there is discrepancies in rules. People don't care what they have to do as long as they WIN. Same thing happened with the boosting situation and yet people still benefited from winning in-store credit or even actual good, they actually screwed over people who did not compromise the integrity of a system or ladder. And several people twist and manipulate every detail as to convince others that it is the only way and it is completely legitimate, shows how narrow minded and naive some can be, but how people will always do anything to win regardless of who it affects. So because I am against this type of thinking or these unfair methods it makes me a fool? If that is the case so be it. |
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It's not that trading is bad, it does potentially level out the playing field with respect to the RNG. The problem is just it gets abused and exploited. Even though I would *always* want to trade, regardless of whether others are abusing it, you cannot get around the fact that it is exploitable. For this reason trade should be disabled if you want to keep the integrity of solo races. Imo, the races (particularly with respect to rewards) are mostly farcical.
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Everyone agrees trading throws the solo races. We have already had two solo races with trading enabled, this may be the third.
If GGG changes it or not there's really nothing to discuss. You can't change the mind of recent solo race winners that trading is evil because no one is making the argument that trading in solo should stay. Until it changes, trading is part of the solo races and is an interesting dynamic, even though it disadvantages a majority of the player base. If you take advantage of things in races like trading in a solo league, then you have a better chance at winning. There is nothing left to really discuss nor whine about. At least, this race event thread doesn't seem like the place for it. You don't run the races, GGG does, if you don't like the race format either adapt to a winning situation or don't bother entering the event. :) IGN @dime
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" It doesn't take long to actually trade, but it doesn't happen straight away. It might be 10 minutes before a player is able to meet to trade without completely throwing their race. The point I was making is that in practise, you can't just trade instantly, you'd be extremely lucky to get a 30 second trade done. " What is my view? please tell me, it seems like you haven't read anything I wrote. " Nice one bro, try reading what I wrote before you spill your hate out onto the forum. I'll now quote myself in my original post: " I never took a side, I simply raised some points from the other side for debate. I totally forgot about the mule scenario which Kotao reminded me of, that is completely unfair. Apart from that one obvious discrepancy I still stand by my word that everyone is in the same boat, so it's fair. Again let me re-iterate that, it's FAIR, as in, all players have equal chance. I don't think it's right though, because it's not in the spirit of solo races to gain benefit from others. |
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Permitting trades in a "solo" race is a turn-off for me.
Last edited by Lo4f#2652 on Dec 4, 2012, 10:28:39 PM
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" You are right on most of the points and yes sometimes I was generalizing too much, but regardless, you believe it isn't in the spirit of the race yet you will continue to do so until it is changed, which still proves one of my points, people are willing to go to much efforts to abuse or exploit a system just to benefit for their own personal gain or the gain for their friends. But you're exactly right, it is allowed. But it sucks how many people will use it without a thought and a care about others. I just think it is such a shame how no matter what ruling or what isn't ruled, it's always gonna be about doing "anything" to win. |
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Being new I won't state an opinion one way or the other about trading in these events, but I do have an opinion on the "winning" aspect.
It is in human nature to do what ever it takes to win within the bounds of the rules of the event. For some, even outside the bounds of the rules if they can get away with it. You can't make everyone feel that what they are doing is cheating, nor can you make everyone feel that they are staying within the spirit of the competition. Anyone entering an event that will have a clear winner, and who is not prepared to do what ever it takes to win, probably shouldn't enter the event in the first place as they are most likely to lose. Simple human nature at it's most competitive. |
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I still think that some rewards should be 1 of each class.
Hillock normal would be the perfect example. Also I would prefer either 2 or 3.5-4h Turbo races on solo. 3h end up in level 21 areas. |
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" Hillock is a worthless reward no matter how its setup, as the winner is always determined by pure rng. The amount of skill required to run straight to him and hold down the button while flasking is negligible. Replacing the hillock quest with something else would be a better idea. 3 hour races end up in lvl 21 areas atm because no ones really optimized turbo runs, and almost everyone overlevels for brutus due to what a desync disaster that battle is. Im fairly sure a strong racer can reach waterfall cave with enough time to outlevel any amount of western/bridge grinding. IGN: KoTao Last edited by KoTao#4717 on Dec 4, 2012, 9:34:17 PM
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so·lo
/ˈsōlō/ Noun A thing done by one person unaccompanied, in particular. Adjective For or done by one person alone; unaccompanied: "a solo album". Verb Perform something unaccompanied, in particular. "When I close my eyes, I see this thing, a sign, I see this name in bright blue neon lights with a purple outline. And this name is so bright and so sharp that the sign - it just blows up because the name is so powerful... It says, "Diamond Supporter."
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