Oro's Ceaseless Discharger (Spectral Throw + Cast on Crit Discharge)

I have same question. Is there any other unique amulet which could I replace voll's devotion. If not, which statistics should I look for the most in the amulet?
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hitman041 wrote:
Got a question, while leveling you said you use freezing pulse. What sort of armor did you wear before getting to the level to wear Voll's?


I just used random shit I found and did fine.

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xythian wrote:
For those of you/us on Domination, how do you find this build plays without a Voll's Devotion? Did you just replace Devotion with a crit and/or attack speed neck?

What about experimenting with ways to replace the lost endurance charges? Warlord's Mark seems out as it would conflict with Critical Weakness. That would leave maybe Frenzy or Blood Rage to try and generate some frenzy charges instead of endurance.

Edit: I just saw the price of Voll's Devotion on standard. Wow. I imagine many people who play this build may never get a Devotion.


Voll's Devotion isn't necessary but it's nice. It adds a lot of DPS but in the end Discharge already does so much damage that it doesn't really matter. Same reason I don't bother getting frenzy charges, it's just overkill.

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Undersent wrote:
I have same question. Is there any other unique amulet which could I replace voll's devotion. If not, which statistics should I look for the most in the amulet?


No uniques are better, I would get a rare crit chance ammy with life and resists if possible.
Suggestion: While leveling, get Faster Attacks gem before Cruel Merveil from the quest reward. Easier to sustain than GMP and works really great with a high attack speed Dagger. Switching to Faster Attacks resulted in a better single target dps for me.

Currently Level 42 with mediocre gear and a Poignard with aps of 1.81.

(gems are just there to gain levels)
Torment Shop : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1121704
I got this helmet

Is there a reason you are not using it Oroboro?
Seems to be a perfect helmet for this build to me.

Of course the drawback is, that it has evasion instead of armor, but i think the other stats really make up that.
Last edited by Maverick1st on Nov 30, 2013, 5:44:33 PM
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Maverick1st wrote:
I got this helmet

Is there a reason you are not using it Oroboro?
Seems to be a perfect helmet for this build to me.

Of course the drawback is, that it has evasion instead of armor, but i think the other stats really make up that.


Oh wow. You could use that OR Maligaro's. With the helm you lose the crit multi but gain all those really amazing stats. I actually think I may switch Maligaro's for that helm. If you wanted to use both you'd have to use A LOT of chromatics to get the right colors on one of them, which would be a nightmare. Thanks for the great suggestion! I hadn't even thought about it really.
U r welcome.
I'm glad i could give a little bit back to you, as your build is really awesome.

Do you think this build will also work if one would go completly on evasion rating instead of armor?

I'm thinking about using this shield

in combination with

and hopefully maligaros when i can afford some.
Of course this would only be possible if i manage to 5 or 6 link my Volls Protector at last.

In addition to this i thought i might spec into Deflection and Acrobatics. But i'm not sure, which nodes i could drop for this.
This is my current Skilltree
Spoiler
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgAABAcFfQXTCGcOSBGWFbgZohzcHpQfAiQ8J6ktHy2oMZ41kjZ7OuE7KD1fQYdGcUk7SVFKyEyzTeNQMFJTVupabVv0XfJe-mKsY0NodGo_bRluqnBScFZw1X5Zf8aCHoMJiEKI8Yqvj_qQEZAbkyeUoJYyl5WaE52jnaqio6ZXp1ysP6xZsZC0DLSjtfK3PrfWuXzAUcHzyFvWndhN2mLbWdvU3FfjhOQI52Pp_vF28h3yRfPq-ej8q_4K_o8=


And this is what it could look like after respecing
Spoiler
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgABBAcFtQXTCGcOSBGWFbgZohzcHoEelCQ8J6ktHy2oMZ41kjZ7OuE7KD1fQYdGcUk7SVFKyEuNTLNN41AwUlNabVv0XfJe-mKsY0NodGo_bRluqnBScFZw1X5Zf8aCHoMJiEKKr4_6kBGQG5MnlKCWMpeVmhOdo52qoqOmV6dcrD-xkLQMtKO0xbXytz631sBRwfPC7Mhb1CPWndhN2mLbWdvU3FfjhOQI8XbyHfJF8uHz6vno_Kv-Cv6P_xw=


But i'm not sure, if i can make up the loss of 3 life nodes and the accuracy with gear.

The pro of this version would be, that i could use all those good uniques, which would make this build much more powerful.

But for hard hitting mobs i would have to carry several granite flasks of iron skin like this one
.

So do you guys think this could work or at least be worth a try?
Oroboro thanks for the build idea, and more important thanks for continuing to share your ideas and assistance to others!

Now its my turn to theory craft with you and the community!

For background, I play Nemesis, and have a 70 burning discharger (Kripps, but w/o Vaal Pact. 4.4k health, 1 shot most packs, and can burn down the rest of the screen. bosses are impossible, regen elites are impossible if i do not 1-shot).

Reflect: I can manage reflect through careful positioning to get a proliferated burn through the elite/pack. Then finish with single target fireball.



Ok so I've been trying to follow your build on a new re-roll, but the risk of losing a character to one small accident (not seeing reflect elite) is too high to invest time and all that currency. So why not consider the following:

Do not use Critical Weakness Curse. (less burst)
Reduce Critical Damage Nodes (less burst)
Take Vaal Pact (its not terribly far, if you de-skill Crit Damage), and there are some juicy armour nodes on the way.
Run Arctic Armor for increased tankiness: Can also take more Mana and Mana Regen nodes (there are 3 nodes of +8% mana +6% life we skip) But i have no idea if we have the mana regen to keep this up.

EDIT: You propose EK as a variant, and I wonder if EK+Arctic Armour+Vaal Pact is enough to survive a reflect


TLDR: Since Voll's Protector generates charges on crit, we can have a series of smaller Discharges instead of huge full screen one shots. Vaal Pact in between each discharge will help us survive.
Last edited by Dakilula on Dec 1, 2013, 7:58:38 AM
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Maverick1st wrote:
U r welcome.
I'm glad i could give a little bit back to you, as your build is really awesome.

Do you think this build will also work if one would go completly on evasion rating instead of armor?

I'm thinking about using this shield

in combination with

and hopefully maligaros when i can afford some.
Of course this would only be possible if i manage to 5 or 6 link my Volls Protector at last.

In addition to this i thought i might spec into Deflection and Acrobatics. But i'm not sure, which nodes i could drop for this.
This is my current Skilltree
Spoiler
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgAABAcFfQXTCGcOSBGWFbgZohzcHpQfAiQ8J6ktHy2oMZ41kjZ7OuE7KD1fQYdGcUk7SVFKyEyzTeNQMFJTVupabVv0XfJe-mKsY0NodGo_bRluqnBScFZw1X5Zf8aCHoMJiEKI8Yqvj_qQEZAbkyeUoJYyl5WaE52jnaqio6ZXp1ysP6xZsZC0DLSjtfK3PrfWuXzAUcHzyFvWndhN2mLbWdvU3FfjhOQI52Pp_vF28h3yRfPq-ej8q_4K_o8=


And this is what it could look like after respecing
Spoiler
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgABBAcFtQXTCGcOSBGWFbgZohzcHoEelCQ8J6ktHy2oMZ41kjZ7OuE7KD1fQYdGcUk7SVFKyEuNTLNN41AwUlNabVv0XfJe-mKsY0NodGo_bRluqnBScFZw1X5Zf8aCHoMJiEKKr4_6kBGQG5MnlKCWMpeVmhOdo52qoqOmV6dcrD-xkLQMtKO0xbXytz631sBRwfPC7Mhb1CPWndhN2mLbWdvU3FfjhOQI8XbyHfJF8uHz6vno_Kv-Cv6P_xw=


But i'm not sure, if i can make up the loss of 3 life nodes and the accuracy with gear.

The pro of this version would be, that i could use all those good uniques, which would make this build much more powerful.

But for hard hitting mobs i would have to carry several granite flasks of iron skin like this one
.

So do you guys think this could work or at least be worth a try?


I am not one for evasion rating, especially without max block and spell block. You could try it. Also, I really wish that shield actually stopped curses, it might actually be useful for all variants of this build.

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Dakilula wrote:
Oroboro thanks for the build idea, and more important thanks for continuing to share your ideas and assistance to others!

Now its my turn to theory craft with you and the community!

For background, I play Nemesis, and have a 70 burning discharger (Kripps, but w/o Vaal Pact. 4.4k health, 1 shot most packs, and can burn down the rest of the screen. bosses are impossible, regen elites are impossible if i do not 1-shot).

Reflect: I can manage reflect through careful positioning to get a proliferated burn through the elite/pack. Then finish with single target fireball.



Ok so I've been trying to follow your build on a new re-roll, but the risk of losing a character to one small accident (not seeing reflect elite) is too high to invest time and all that currency. So why not consider the following:

Do not use Critical Weakness Curse. (less burst)
Reduce Critical Damage Nodes (less burst)
Take Vaal Pact (its not terribly far, if you de-skill Crit Damage), and there are some juicy armour nodes on the way.
Run Arctic Armor for increased tankiness: Can also take more Mana and Mana Regen nodes (there are 3 nodes of +8% mana +6% life we skip) But i have no idea if we have the mana regen to keep this up.

EDIT: You propose EK as a variant, and I wonder if EK+Arctic Armour+Vaal Pact is enough to survive a reflect


TLDR: Since Voll's Protector generates charges on crit, we can have a series of smaller Discharges instead of huge full screen one shots. Vaal Pact in between each discharge will help us survive.


This could work, but at this point it might be better to just run a traditional Discharge build with Voll's Protector, long range ice spears and manual discharges. I'm not sure how it would turn out without the high crit chance.
Last edited by Oroboro on Dec 1, 2013, 9:07:51 AM
i don't get it...
im a lvl 73scion and on full (6) power charges i get average damage on discharge 1700
how i'm supposed to rich that 8000+ DPS
i don't have all the linked gear you posted but even if i had it i dont think it could boost me 6000 DPS

My Gear is:
Spoiler


earlier before i was playing with a witch with a similar build whom got only the armor and he was playing with cyclone instead of ST and he was able to pull 5500 DPS that what he said to me and i'm pretty sure he was not lying cause he got the monster instant and i was scratching em!

Any help is highly appreciated! Thanks...
just by looking at your gear i'd say you lack some crit chance.
i'm at lvl 77 right now and with the following gear i do pretty much damage.
I don't know the numbers, but i think its sufficient to not oneshot but kill almost any mob without problems.

This is my gear:
Spoiler


This gear gives me a crit chance around 63%, which is pretty much considering that i don't have the optimum skill tree.
Of course, if you only rely on powercharges for discharge, you should have some increased spell dmg or at least crit multiplier on your gear to increase the dmg per discharge.
Getting your hands on Volls Devotion would also increase your dps a lot.
If you cannot afford one, you could cast a high level enduring cry before discharging to have an initial dmg boost on your discharge.
hope this helps you a bit.

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