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tehosiris wrote:
you calculations are very wrong, to say at least :)
let's just settle with, if you want to run 4 auras, you need to take all aura passives from my build and link them with reduced mana ;)


Don't see where my calculations are wrong. I have same results than the programm :)

Actualy if i can take 5% more aura on skill tree, i will be able to run 6 aura (purity of ice, fire and lightning, grace, vitality, determination) and still have around 10-15 mana left.

I will use your build point per point actualy and certainly switch to 6 auras around lvl 90

Thx girltoy for the nice progr :)


how are you able to run that many auras? i've played around with the program and I cant see how you're able to get away with 6 auras? whats your mana reserve reduction?





Like that, that's why i am talking about lvl 90+ to make it run. With this skill tree i have around 50% less mana reserved.

With your program, if i run 500 mana, with 50% less mana reserved and lvl 20 reduced mana gem, i am able to run 2x60% aura et 4x40% aura, leaving me with 10 mana left.
Last edited by Garvil#0915 on Nov 18, 2013, 6:18:58 AM
Unless I fail at math, all you achieve is 5% additional mana reduction on auras, which wont make a difference (going from 41 in the original spec to 46)
the difference between 41% and 46% - is one aura. even with lvl 20 reduced mana you can only afford 4 auras: (2x60% + 3x40%) * 0.71 (gem) * 0.59 (passives) = 101% of your mana. with 46% mana reservation you can actually do 1 more aura, but spending 8 points to get it is an overkill imo.

there is as an option to use Alpha Howl:
- it will allow you to use 5 auras
- it will boost your auras even more with +2 lvl
- zombiez can be moved to Matua Tupuna ( zombie + minion life + empower to get more life, or zombie + empower + enhance to get more speed) and your auras will be buffed even more
- then, with all your bonuses, purity of X auras will give you +5-6 to maximum resistance, which is the same as Saffell's Frame (through summons will have no block)
- aand you save 1 SP on necro aegis :D
- aaaaand you can't raise zombie: only 7-9% of your total mana and no BM gem

but Alpha Howl is quite expensive...
Last edited by nyash#2006 on Nov 18, 2013, 8:15:39 AM
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nyash wrote:
the difference between 41% and 46% - is one aura. even with lvl 20 reduced mana you can only afford 4 auras: (2x60% + 3x40%) * 0.71 (gem) * 0.59 (passives) = 101% of your mana. with 46% mana reservation you can actually do 1 more aura, but spending 8 points to get it is an overkill imo.

there is as an option to use Alpha Howl:
- it will allow you to use 5 auras
- it will boost your auras even more with +2 lvl
- zombiez can be moved to Matua Tupuna ( zombie + minion life + empower to get more life, or zombie + empower + enhance to get more speed) and your auras will be buffed even more
- then, with all your bonuses, purity of X auras will give you +5-6 to maximum resistance, which is the same as Saffell's Frame (through summons will have no block)
- aand you save 1 SP on necro aegis :D
- aaaaand you can't raise zombie: only 7-9% of your total mana and no BM gem

but Alpha Howl is quite expensive...



What i am planning to try:

Using alpha owl for 6 aura (not 5) with the program, if i run 2x60%+ 4x 40% with all the passive skill tree reduction from op and alpha owl it is doable, but i will keep around 12 mana (will see if it is enough to cull with lvl 1 arc). For specters it is ok, you have to raise only one time and keep them forever :), for zombies, just put off 2 auras, rez zombies and put on auras again.

The great question is: If i am playing with 20/20 minion life + 20/20 raise zombie + lvl 3 empower + 20/20 minion damage or minion resist, zombies will still die often or not ?

With this idea, if i am able to run those 6 auras, i will put away saffell's frame and switch with maybe lioneye's remorse.

What about it ? Am i totaly stupid ? Or it is doable ?

@Garvil maths at it's best :))) sorry, you do need an alphas to pull that off
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tehosiris wrote:
@Garvil maths at it's best :))) sorry, you do need an alphas to pull that off


eh eh :p I will buy a perfect alpha...didn't decided if i will keep it or just use for swaping aura...

Tehosiris: Can you please tell me if your zombie die often or not ? xD
Last edited by Garvil#0915 on Nov 18, 2013, 1:12:21 PM
i streamed for ~11 hours today, not one casualty on merciless piety farming
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If you are interested in aura reservation calculations, you may check my calculator (updated it for new patch now but didn't tested a lot)
note: first slide in "help" isn't accurate - you should type in "RMR mult" field (one of fields with blue border) not "mana reduced reservation" but 100 - "mana reduced reservation" (with alpha howl example: not 8, but 92 or 0.92)


BTW, elemental equilibrium doesn't "stack" according this information, so hitting with arc after cold snap will not lower fire resistance more
Last edited by alt0172#5861 on Nov 18, 2013, 4:49:07 PM
Ah right, I keep forgetting that Vitality is now 40% mana reserve, so yes indeed those 8 points will grant you an additional 40% aura. We're talking super endgame for this to work, though, and the question is if an additional 40% aura will truly matter.

Grace (60%)
Determination (60%)

Vitality (40%)
Purity (40%)
And then a chosen resistance of choice depending on map/area to boost their max res furthermore?

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