1.1 Updated [HC/Inv] EB/MoM/AA SuperTank Spectral Throw (Works with Mjölner!!Tested!)

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Musashi951 wrote:

You have a few questionable / wasted points. You spend 5 points in the bottom right(including Thick Skin) for 34% hp, when you skip 16% by the Scion tree and 32% on the way to mind breaker. the 32% comes with +50 str, as well. If the STR isn't of interest, the +24% right next to Mind Breaker covers 5 points for 40% hp, a 6% increase for the same points.

Why do you skip Lava Lash? It's only 2 points off from your build, and should be a substantial damage increase. (35% from Added fire damage would bring it to +45% fire damage giving a 7.5% overall damage increase - which is massive.)

Clear mind - +16% chaos res -...you literally go RIGHT by it, why not snag it?

2 points for +40% mana regen - is it worth it?

By the Clear Mind trait, you can take the lower road and snag an easy +20 int +20% Mana regen (Mental Acruity) in exchange for one of those 2 +20% mana regens you snagged on the way netting you +10 int, +10 str with no losses.

Edit: I see after level 80 you pick up EB, making this a loss.

Let's actually talk about Mind Drinker entirely. Is it really worth 18 points? There are a few gains along the way, but pretty much you're trading 14 points for 2% damage Leeched as mana. You could snag some hefty +mana regen instead, or simply drop mind of matter for a lot of health nodes that you skipped along the way.

Added:
Shaper, You can trade +20 str and 1 skill point for +24% Mana to reach it.

Spoiler

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgABAecDlgUtCGcJlg5IEZYS4RQgGDwYkRjbGlUb-hzcHpQhYCQ8Jd8nICepKaUxnjIJMn41kjboOlI64TsoQKBGcUd-SVFKyE3jTipQR1ivWlJabVuvW_RgQ2BLYSFirGSjZU1sRm49bmluqnJsdO108XbneA14unrvf8aCHoMJhNmE74Uyh2qIQojxkGyTJ5M6m12dqp65ns2fe5_LpBmmV6cwpzSnXKiaqW6plKvFrD-sWbQMtfK9J76nwA_BxcS40k3V-Nad2wvcV-dj6wnyRfKX97756PyJ_o8=

Suggested Changes.

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dbum wrote:

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Musashi951 wrote:

You have a few questionable / wasted points. You spend 5 points in the bottom right(including Thick Skin) for 34% hp, when you skip 16% by the Scion tree and 32% on the way to mind breaker. the 32% comes with +50 str, as well. If the STR isn't of interest, the +24% right next to Mind Breaker covers 5 points for 40% hp, a 6% increase for the same points.

Why do you skip Lava Lash? It's only 2 points off from your build, and should be a substantial damage increase. (35% from Added fire damage would bring it to +45% fire damage giving a 7.5% overall damage increase - which is massive.)

Clear mind - +16% chaos res -...you literally go RIGHT by it, why not snag it?

2 points for +40% mana regen - is it worth it?

By the Clear Mind trait, you can take the lower road and snag an easy +20 int +20% Mana regen (Mental Acruity) in exchange for one of those 2 +20% mana regens you snagged on the way netting you +10 int, +10 str with no losses.

Edit: I see after level 80 you pick up EB, making this a loss.

Let's actually talk about Mind Drinker entirely. Is it really worth 18 points? There are a few gains along the way, but pretty much you're trading 14 points for 2% damage Leeched as mana. You could snag some hefty +mana regen instead, or simply drop mind of matter for a lot of health nodes that you skipped along the way.

Added:
Shaper, You can trade +20 str and 1 skill point for +24% Mana to reach it.

Spoiler

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgABAecDlgUtCGcJlg5IEZYS4RQgGDwYkRjbGlUb-hzcHpQhYCQ8Jd8nICepKaUxnjIJMn41kjboOlI64TsoQKBGcUd-SVFKyE3jTipQR1ivWlJabVuvW_RgQ2BLYSFirGSjZU1sRm49bmluqnJsdO108XbneA14unrvf8aCHoMJhNmE74Uyh2qIQojxkGyTJ5M6m12dqp65ns2fe5_LpBmmV6cwpzSnXKiaqW6plKvFrD-sWbQMtfK9J76nwA_BxcS40k3V-Nad2wvcV-dj6wnyRfKX97756PyJ_o8=

Suggested Changes.

only thing i do like is the lava lash. but the rest you have more points used (109 vs my 106) and lose 2% max life. i see where you were goin with it but i can get more hp out of my version and yes 40% mana regen is needed for mom and str increases ST dmg via iron grip.

as far as going up for eb and mind dringker. i agree that there are better ways to build. going full life/ar no mom/eb and useing bloodmagic gems would be more tanky but i wanted to build this with mom. and the ONLY way to do a mom build is with mana leach/crazy mana regen/ EB

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Musashi951 wrote:

2 of those points are Lava Lash. 1 skill point is for +24% mana. 24% Mana vs 2% health - I figured the mana would win out.

Thanks for the response, though. I just came back from a very long break, and I'm in love with this new spell. Using your guide as a stepping point. :)

Also, somehow I misclicked Conduit in that.. lol

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dbum wrote:

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Musashi951 wrote:

2 of those points are Lava Lash. 1 skill point is for +24% mana. 24% Mana vs 2% health - I figured the mana would win out.

Thanks for the response, though. I just came back from a very long break, and I'm in love with this new spell. Using your guide as a stepping point. :)

Also, somehow I misclicked Conduit in that.. lol

ya i like lava lash. i do think the 24% mana is good but maybe after my 106points. keep the str/dex the same and then gain 24%mana. this build is in constant change and adaption as i lvl/rip heh. i will keep your input in mind cause it did bring up some good options to go further if i get past the 106 points

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Possu81 wrote:

I am little bit confused now after level 60 (currently 65) that do I really need to go up to get EB? I have only a 38 energy shield. Instead, I have been hesitating this and just picked first higher dmg nodes (going now to +30% axe dmg node, got Khaom's 400dps axe) since my 3k health and high armor seems to clear merciless actIII pretty easily. I feel that getting positive chaos resistance has really done miracles what comes to dmg reduction. Also stacked resistances so much on cruel that's it has been easy on Merciless since full resistances give so many options to upgrade constantly gear.

Could Mind Over Matter work without EB if I just take some int and manareg nodes or is it worth it at all? Also got today very good +2 manaleech ring which helps a lot. ST is almost free and I am running Blood Magic with Double Strke but it's not necessary. Will probably remove it tomorrow.
I understand that after moving to maps and higher maps too, my damage will be lower than some others' and I need tanky all around ST. That's why I am looking to get extra defence and thinking just if I go up and pick EB like guide says but are there alternatives? I still kinda trust more on health + dmg reductions than anything else! I don't want to be pure cannon either like u probably figure out and that's why I liked this guide.