We players want an auction house

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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deteego wrote:

GGG cannot limit the information to players, its just not possible...

If I wanted to, I could D3 auction house system for PoE, and there is nothing that GGG can do anything about it unless they want to shut down their website

Not linking items in the forums (nor in trade chat, if you had a bots on their monitoring the trade chat and sending you itemdata that way) would probably stop your third-party site cold. Simply stopping third-party sites is easy, the problem is what to replace it with; obviously, they'd need a much better system than that which they have now if they were going to seriously consider shutting down item linkage. I've already described the type of silent auction system I'd like to see; I linked it earlier in one post, and described it briefly in another. That's the kind of system I'd like to see them make available in-game, and, in the long run, removing the ability to link items in forum or chat is exactly what I'd like to see happen.

As long as I can log onto the website, and I can get all item info I need to (which I can, thats how PoE works), there is nothing that GGG technically can do to stop this

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Not linking items in the forums (nor in trade chat, if you had a bots on their monitoring the trade chat and sending you itemdata that way) would probably stop your third-party site cold. Simply stopping third-party sites is easy...

If only we told D2JSP that.

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Veta321 wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Not linking items in the forums (nor in trade chat, if you had a bots on their monitoring the trade chat and sending you itemdata that way) would probably stop your third-party site cold. Simply stopping third-party sites is easy...

If only we told D2JSP that.

D2JSP operates based on user-provided data, it doesn't and can't go into D2 (or any other game) and extract information unless the developer makes it possible.

I'm not suggesting this in a vacuum; a solid in-game trading system of some kind is required, or else players will go to places like d2jsp, because that will be the only thing to do.

I checked almost all my items in my 20+ stash tabs, all are good items (armour with around 1k defense, dual resist good life roll etc) Trying to sell all these items takes fucking forever, I put them all in threads here so once in a while someone comes with dumbass offer in a pm in the game, and we try to barter etc. I just want to easy clean my stash tabs and actually get something from all my endless hours of farming good items instead of waiting for crap offers, or make threades and keep rebumping them every day to sell my good loot. I actually miss the AH of D3, but this game is just a superior game to D3. But damn, if I had to sell all these items, I would not play the actual game for months. I would play spam trade chats with all my good loot, spend time bartering and selling. Fack me, was the only thing I hated in D2. And is again the only thing I hate in this game. :(

There are a number of problems right now with PoE trading, that are solved by adding an action house.
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Right now, trading through the forums is clunky, tedious, and very time consuming.

Players don't want to spend time, 20+ minutes, searching for items.
Be it through spammed trade chat or through browsing the forums, which are bloated beyond reason.
Now you will mention, "What about poe.xyz?"

The fact that a third party site exists, to search and index items exactly like an action house, proves we need an action house.

Why?
Because it saves time.
Period.

The fact that players had to create interfaces such as Procurement, and websites like poe.xyz, proves there is a problem with the system's design.

It should not be the responsibility of the players to provide such interfaces.

GGG has failed to deliver on this part of the game interaction, which needs correction.
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poe.xyz has search functionality by item stats, current offers, and buyout offers.
Players can start to gauge how valuable an item is based off its stats.
This has been troubling me for a long time, and I'm sure would help a lot of players out.

When players can see a general idea of what an item price should be, they are less likely to be ripped off. They are more likely to trade items, which would otherwise be vendored.
They can buy and sell items much faster.

Now you may argue that anyone can use the site. That's true. However, not everyone uses the site, and not everyone is aware of the site.
When there is a level playing field, the more it allows for everyone to learn.

The other problem is with forum trading.
It's very clunky and tedious to search and link items, that is smooth and in good organization.

Procurement does a good job of this for you, however, I deem it very very sketchy.
Even if it is open source. I don't want to use third party applications to do what should be provided in the first place.


People have complained numerous times of hitting the wall. Not being able to progress.
It's happened to me as well, and I've since stopped playing.
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Someone is going to bring up D3, so I'm going to say this.

The reason, in my opinion, that D3 action house failed is because of the real money auction house.
NOT because of the functionality of the auction house itself.
It also had a very large problem with botting. The two problems coincide with each other.
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What I would like to discuss is what would the positive and negative impact be of adding an action house.
With strict limitation of not mentioning the economy.
If added, The market in PoE will correct itself one way or another.

What I want to discuss is how the functionality would be good or bad overall.

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Krinny wrote:

Why?
Because it saves time.
Period.

We should make it so players can one-shot Merciless Dominus.

Why?
Because it saves time.
Period.

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Krinny wrote:

When there is a level playing field, the more it allows for everyone to learn.

There are two kinds of equality: equality of opportunity, and equality of results.

When you enforce equality of results, you end up with a system where no one learns, because no one needs to, and no one's efforts are special, because no effort is required.

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Krinny wrote:

The reason, in my opinion, that D3 action house failed is because of the real money auction house.
NOT because of the functionality of the auction house itself.

As if any significant number of players actually bought items on the RMAH. Did you? Any of your friends? (One of mine did, but his dad is a billionaire, and in a considerable show of restraint he only spent $50, so he doesn't count.) How about you focus on the problem which the vast majority of gamers, who can't afford to throw away cash money on a digital sword, would have done.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Krinny wrote:

Why?
Because it saves time.
Period.

We should make it so players can one-shot Merciless Dominus.

Why?
Because it saves time.
Period.

This has got to be the most retarded comparison ever. You are only forced to kill dominus 3 times to progress (technically 2). On the other hand, you are forced to trade all the time, definitely more than 2 times. Killing dominus is an actual part of the gameplay, its a boss fight. Many people do not see trading as part of the gameplay

You should really stop making baseless comparisons, what Krinny is saying makes sense, because due to the amounts of time you have to spend trading and the fact that trading isn't actually playing the game, the AH saving time on trading makes sense.

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deteego wrote:

You should really stop making baseless comparisons, what Krinny is saying makes sense, because due to the amounts of time you have to spend trading and the fact that trading isn't actually playing the game, the AH saving time on trading makes sense.

It's play a game. Apparently, an overpowered one, because everyone is content to make trading so time-efficient that it supercedes farming.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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deteego wrote:

You should really stop making baseless comparisons, what Krinny is saying makes sense, because due to the amounts of time you have to spend trading and the fact that trading isn't actually playing the game, the AH saving time on trading makes sense.

It's play a game. Apparently, an overpowered one, because everyone is content to make trading so time-efficient that it supercedes farming.

Thats GGG's problem for designing the game that way

When you hit merc3, trying to farm for your own items is incredibly inefficient, farming for currency is incredibly efficient. When GGG changes this, then people will see less of a reason to trade

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deteego wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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deteego wrote:

You should really stop making baseless comparisons, what Krinny is saying makes sense, because due to the amounts of time you have to spend trading and the fact that trading isn't actually playing the game, the AH saving time on trading makes sense.

It's play a game. Apparently, an overpowered one, because everyone is content to make trading so time-efficient that it supercedes farming.

Thats GGG's problem for designing the game that way

And you want them to make it even easier.

Trading should be just as much a skill-tester as farming. Which means: it shouldn't be a cakewalk. If anything, it needs to be made considerably more difficult than it is now.