We players want an auction house

No, we don't want that crap. No auction house.

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Evlesoa wrote:

Why is this still in discussion? GGG said it like 10 times: will never happen.

It doesn't matter if GGG says it will never happen, it will happen

The difference will be whether its official or not

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mazul wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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BolshoiToo wrote:

This player wants them to eliminate trading and rebalance drop rates accordingly.

It's not that drop rates are balanced around trading, it's that trading is balanced around drop diversity. In order to allow for a broad diversity of itemization in various builds, you need to have a majority of the items you find be useful to builds other than your own. Increasing the drop rate isn't going to do anything to make it so the vast majority of the stuff you find is more valuable in the hands of other players than it is in your own. The only difference will be that now you can't get any value out of it (other than vendor formulas), because you can't trade it away. Trading actually really helps by allowing players to exchange good rolls on items for builds other than their own, for the ability to get good rolls on items for their build.

If you increase the drop rate of crafting currency sufficientely, you won't ever have to trade, since you can craft good enough gear yourself. However, being handed that on the silver plate goes against the gear grind philosophy of GGG.

You don't trade because you haven't found the stuff you need. Even if you have found the stuff you need, there is always even better stuff. If you want to get really technical, you probably already have found all the stuff you need; there is probably someone, somewhere who could pilot your build through the rest of the game without the need to upgrade the gear furhter.

Drop rate has nothing to do with desire to trade. What sets desire to trade is the ratio of good shit your character can use, versus good shit your character can't. Increasing drop rates for both by the same amount isn't going to make trading feel like less of a necessity.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

You trade because you've found shit you can't use, and other players can. With higher drop rates, you'll have more incentive to trade, not less.

Well it depends, what is needed isn't higher drop raters, per say, but a way to influence drops so you can get the items you need

Even if GGG did universally increase drop rates, I don't see it increasing trading, because trading is so inconvenient and there is basically a practical limit to how much people can trade

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deteego wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

You trade because you've found shit you can't use, and other players can. With higher drop rates, you'll have more incentive to trade, not less.

Well it depends, what is needed isn't higher drop raters, per say, but a way to influence drops so you can get the items you need

Which is why I've been advocating more orb drops and less gear drops. For quite a while now.

Also this suggestion, so that people actually use orbs on lower-level items without feeling they are cheating their endgame.

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deteego wrote:

Even if GGG did universally increase drop rates, I don't see it increasing trading, because trading is so inconvenient and there is basically a practical limit to how much people can trade

Apparently you didn't read my earlier post... Seriously, shit is easy. Just put your stuff in a shops thread with buyout tags and let other people search for it.

It's too easy, so easy it's bad for the health of the game, but the one thing it's actually not is inconvenient.

I do not want AH. I want that this game drop rates are not balanced around a economy. I want it to be like all other normal arpg games out there.

You can not have good drop rates in game where devs want to have a working economy, it is impossible without implementing very tedious game mechanics (actually crafting is so much random because of the economy).

Balance the drop rates better, balance the crafting better and dont care about economy.

An AH would just make it easier for flippers to do nothing but flip all day. I think GGG likes trading to be tedious because they believe it will encourage people to play more instead of trade. Maybe their right on that but flippers are still the richest.

Only real solution is to make a league that has no trading so that people can enjoy a game that isn't balanced for trading. The trading/economy issues will always be there no matter what GGG does.

We have already 2 AH in PoE: trade chat and this forum (+poe.xyz et similia).

When i read 'I do not want an AH' i actually read 'I'm satisfied with current implementations of AH'.

Rather than arguing on a yes/no answer to AH, we should discuss on how a new AH should be designed to solve the problems of the trade system, without unbalancing the game. It is mainly a design issue.

Some considerations:

A) The actual trade system is (imho) a PAIN. Main problems are: Different timezones, endless auctions, traders change their mind (retract), crappy meeting system (go a1n, trade, ty...). All these things make the trade very difficult (=crappy) without make it challenging (=player skill based).

B) Buyouts and bids. I agree that to get a good item should not be so easy and immediate. I think b/o should not be available, and bids of other players should be hidden. Buyers actually try to circunvent the second problem using PM: by doing so, they hide info to other buyer, and they do not give 'bump' to the seller.

C) Gold. PoE has not gold in its trade system (i would like it has some sort of gold). If this do not change, an AH should be implemented following this constraint. This basically means less automated AH: you have to choose the 'best' bid because there is no way to do that automatically.

D) Stash space. The current system, being crappy, needs lot of space to store unselled items. Although it is very annoying, GGG needs such system. An AH that easily allow to get rid of your items is very unlikely to be implemented.

E) Flippers. I think this is the most 'hot' point. There are a lot of flippers that get 'rich' by selling/buying at convenient price. IMHO in an ARPG you should become rich only by farming (maybe with the help of some luck). In my view of trading, when you sell an items it is because you want to help another player to survive Wreaclast, and to get a decent reward for your item. When you buy an item it is because you really need it for your build, and not because it is 'on offer' and you want to sell for more. If this is felt as a problem an AH should involve a sort of penalty when trading, so that flipping become very difficult. This will help a lot in reducing trade-spam.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I want a Grand Bazaar. I want to see people selling stuff. I want fights to break out. I want insults hurled.

Until then, I'll play strictly solo.

+1
This would be infinitely more fun than spamming trade chat. Trading should become more fun, not easier.

no dont want an auction house cba with ppl flipping it to make currency with no limit however i do agree tradeing is a massive issue haveing to spam /trade 1 /trade 2 /trade 3 /trade 4 upto trade 30 is a massive pain:D so on that yes agree a better tradeing system BUT NO AUCTION HOUSE PLZ:D:D:D:D