One-week "Resistance Penalty Testing" Hardcore Ladder Race

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Moosifer wrote:

I committed suicide in protest of the map drop rate

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wakkage wrote:

he ment his character..

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Axebane wrote:

~~~Feedback on the resists penalty~~~

When this league was first announced, I was totally in favor of the resists penalty. I always felt like Cruel/Ruthless were not very challenging, and previously I had never considered using weapons that had resistance, and didn't pay very much attention to resistances on my armor.

However, after playing in this league I feel like the resist penalties barely adds any additional challenge, and instead adds more hassle and disappointment when it comes to gear upgrades. In previous leagues, if I chose the right base item to start with I could often get an upgrade after only 1-3 alchs/chaos. Now it feels more like 3-6 alchs/chaos.

For instance: If my chest armor has 20% fire resist & 20% cold resist, and I find chest armor that has 20% fire resist & 20% lightning resist, I probably wont be able to use it without also finding new gloves/helm/boots simply because my resists would be thrown totally out of balance.

Also, in previous leagues I almost never wore rings unless they were resist rings. In this league "almost never" turned into "don't even think about it, ever". It's kinda silly when a max life/regen build has absolutely no desire to put on a +max life ring even though in theory it would synergize so well with my build.

It just feels like a lot of the excitement that I used to gain from using alchemy orbs on gear is greatly reduced. I used to get so happy when I got a good roll from an alchemy orb, but now the odds of getting something that I can upgrade to feel so much lower. That was a big part of my enjoyment of the game: choosing the right time to use my alchemy orbs and often being rewarded for it.

As for the new resistance nodes on the passive tree. I actually agree with others who have said that it doesn't add any more build diversity because you simply respec out of those nodes once you get the resists you need from your gear. It's not so much a part of your build decision, as it is a temporary fix that you remove from your build later.

Having said all that, I am NOT suggesting that the resist penalties should be completely done away with. I just think that perhaps the values should be a bit lower so that we have a tad more options for gear.

I also think the Ruby/Sapphire/Topaz flasks need to have their duration doubled or tripled to bring them up to par with Granite flasks. The reason I say tripled is because each resist flask is only effective against a single element, yet Granite flasks are effective against all physical damage, which seems like the most common form of damage the player faces in the game.

I would suggest:
Cruel: -20%
Ruthless: -40%
Merciless: -60%

And after 1 difficulty is removed:
Cruel: -30%
Merciless: -60%



~~~Feedback on end-game maps~~~

The "risk vs. reward" aspect of maps still seems out of whack. The most maps I recieved from a single map run was on a map that had exactly 0% increased quantity. I found 4 maps in it and it had about: 40% increased monster pack size + Area is a maze.

In contrast to that, I ran several 40% and a couple 50% maps and never found more than 2 maps inside those. I realize these are tiny sample sizes, but I feel like some of the more difficult map mods need a slight boost in quantity, like temporal chains, vulnerability, area has undead (freakin necros) monsters deal increased fire/cold/lightning damage and perhaps other modifiers too. Running the hard maps should be the best way to find more maps. As it is currently, the ones with increased size/area is a maze/increased monster pack size are often the best for BOTH gaining EXP and finding more maps.

Also, the recipe for trading in 3 maps to get 1 map of a higher level should probably be changed to: 2 maps to get 1 map of a higher level.

It's just insane that it takes 27 lvl 60 maps to get a single lvl 63 map. And downright ludicrous that it takes 81 lvl 60 maps to get a single lvl 64 map.

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On a positive note: This race was still a lot of fun despite some of the frustrations with gear upgrades. And I want to offer a huge THANK YOU!! to GGG for all the frequent patches and hard work you guys are putting in every day on this game. You are really putting your hearts into it and it shows. This is without a doubt the most impressive free-to-play game I have ever played, and I have played tons of them over the last 5 or so years.

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wiggin wrote:

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MrDDT wrote:

Wiggins you were talking about how its not a choice. Well its a choice every time. Many times in can use a dual resist ring or if I have enough resists, I can pick up a single resist ring and have other mods like damage on it.

Not sure what choice you mean. The choice you are describing is more of a luck with loot than anything. You say it yourself: 'If I have enough resitsts'. You put it as a condition. But this condition has to be met first and I am talking about meeting this condition.

I think I described the trouble with current system and why are penalties not fixing it (they actually amplify it) quite in detail already, I think it is fair to answer a comment but I don't think I need to repeat myself here.

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Desbris wrote:

I agree, over the last several weeks, the game has become far more time consuming in relation to acquiring gear/materials, due to lesser drop rates or whatever. Meaning people are spending a lot more time farming now than before. And this is now going to be dramatically heightened due to various skill nerfs, but notably the added resistance change, not to mention the drop rate of higher level maps is kind of crazy atm it is that low.

I have no problem with them attempting to increase what they believe is difficulty, but the real issue is how much grinding the game requires one to do. I understand grinding is a factor in this game and I know that, but all of these changes are dramatically increasing the amount of grinding needed, ten fold, and this is VERY BAD.

My problem with all these little changes, are directly affecting one thing. Time required to attain gear. This is where the real issue is coming in to play.

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kadrek91 wrote:

this game(racing) is ending up in being a "get-some-multibox/do-a-obligatory-build" to get some results.
NOT FUN.