Feedback and Suggestions (Path of Exile 1) - Razer Footprints: Poll - Forum

" tikitaki wrote: " Wittgenstein wrote: 1. Isn't a reason, its an assumption - your assumption, which I do not even need to acknowledge because it is an assumption. Also your broad general statements like "the entire history of the world demonstrates...." is moot - if you're going to present reasons then present reasons. What you did is something like this "Everyone knows X is true so you should agree it is true." this is adorable. lol. you're essentially derailing on purpose. this doesn't even qualify as on-topic anymore. the logo is fucking ugly, it doesn't fit in with Wraeclast (maybe because it's the logo of a manufacturer of sub-par and over-marketed consumer grade plastic garbage), it's bright green, and tons of people are using it already. Yuck. and again. again. again. again. stop with the logical fallacy talk. you obviously don't understand what a logical fallacy is, how they are used, or the proper context to point them out in. My comment is certainly on topic as it was the reply to a comment made on a previous comment of mine. If replying to comments on my comment is "off topic" I have no idea how a discussion could be had as that is antithetical to the definition of what a discussion is: a series of statements and replies. I implore you to educate me on what a logical fallacy is, how it is 'used' and when the 'proper context' is to point them out. I will make a stab at it though. Logical fallacy: A (formal) fallacy is an argument that uses faulty reasoning. Examples - Strawman, Circular Reasoning, Begging the question, - Look up Aristotle, he provides 13 different types and places them into categories that vary between formal and informal fallacies. An example of an informal fallacy is one that is tautological, an example of a tautology is "I'll get there when I get there" a tautology isn't logically faulty, it is simply devoid of content. When should a logical fallacy be used: Never - its a fallacy. What is the proper context to point them out: Whenever they are used. If you want to argue that the effect is ugly - be my guest, that is simply a matter of aesthetics and I won't get myself involved in that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies#Formal_fallacies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophistical_Refutations "the premier Action RPG for hardcore gamers." -GGG Happy hunting/fishing Last edited by Wittgenstein#0994 on Aug 31, 2013, 9:38:12 PM	Posted by Wittgenstein#0994 on Aug 31, 2013, 9:28:50 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" tikitaki wrote: " Wittgenstein wrote: 1. Isn't a reason, its an assumption - your assumption, which I do not even need to acknowledge because it is an assumption. Also your broad general statements like "the entire history of the world demonstrates...." is moot - if you're going to present reasons then present reasons. What you did is something like this "Everyone knows X is true so you should agree it is true." this is adorable. lol. you're essentially derailing on purpose. this doesn't even qualify as on-topic anymore. the logo is fucking ugly, it doesn't fit in with Wraeclast (maybe because it's the logo of a manufacturer of sub-par and over-marketed consumer grade plastic garbage), it's bright green, and tons of people are using it already. Yuck. and again. again. again. again. stop with the logical fallacy talk. you obviously don't understand what a logical fallacy is, how they are used, or the proper context to point them out in. This is adorable. lol. You're essentially derailing on purpose. This doesn't even qualify as on-topic anymore. You obviously don't understand what a logical fallacy is, how they are used, or the proper context to point them out in. Spoiler Using a fallacious argument to refute a fallacious rebuttal that attempts to refute a rebuttal against fallacy. Spoiler And now the word 'fallacy' sounds dirty. I'm going to bed... Devolving Wilds Land “T, Sacrifice Devolving Wilds: Search your library for a basic land card and reveal it. Then shuffle your library.” Last edited by CanHasPants#3515 on Sep 1, 2013, 1:14:38 AM	Posted by CanHasPants#3515 on Sep 1, 2013, 1:13:47 AM Quote this Post
6 IGN: Arlianth Check out my LA build: 1782214	Posted by Nephalim#2731 on Sep 1, 2013, 1:28:30 AM Quote this Post
it's a poll about whether or not people like razer footprints in the game. telling people that the reasons they dislike something are logically incorrect is borderline trolling. also: it's quite easy to get off-topic even with people continuously replying to each other. it's called deviation.	Posted by tikitaki#3010 on Sep 1, 2013, 1:28:34 AM Quote this Post
" CanHasPants wrote: Using a fallacious argument to refute a fallacious rebuttal that attempts to refute a rebuttal against fallacy. translation: disliking corporate logos being plastered across Wraeclast is a logical fallacy. who knew?	Posted by tikitaki#3010 on Sep 1, 2013, 1:31:53 AM Quote this Post
People getting all worked up about this should really just tell themselves "I am making an assumption about GGG, but what I should do is wait to see what happens now before jumping to conclusions." Its possible that GGG won't do this again in any significant fashion and its possible they will do a lot more of it. Only time will tell. Standard Forever	Posted by iamstryker#5952 on Sep 1, 2013, 1:32:39 AM Quote this Post
I logged on earlier and saw a ton of these effects. Personally it really hurt the immersion for me. I know their numbers will die down but the effect just doesn't seem to fit.	Posted by OverUsedChewToy#0953 on Sep 1, 2013, 5:22:06 AM Quote this Post
Green steps , you can't even tell that they are Razer footprints untill you zoom in . Makes no differance to me - if you like them use them if not , to each his own .	Posted by skaterboy80#3665 on Sep 1, 2013, 5:43:26 AM Quote this Post
Wittgenstein " Wittgenstein wrote: 1. Isn't a reason, its an assumption - your assumption, which I do not even need to acknowledge because it is an assumption. Also your broad general statements like " statistics and the commulative history of the world suggests ." is moot - if you're going to present reasons then present reasons. What you did is something like this "Everyone knows X is true so you should agree it is true." 1a. present those statistics, give some historical data. 1b. if it 'suggests' that X then that doesn't mean it necessarily 'demonstrates' that X - you're making a false qualification. 1c. Why is in-game advertising (even though it isn't advertising, it just shows a symbol and if you have no idea what the symbol stands for it cannot be advertising, but lets just assume it IS advertising) why is that necessarily a bad thing? Lots of games have real world advertising, its how it is done that matters not if it is done. 2. See (1) But, also, you seem to be indicating that advertising something equates to not being "hardworking" if that is your argument, you need to flesh that out s LOT more because on the face of it, it appears that you're saying advertising is akin to laziness which is absurd, advertising itself is an entire industry. The rest of what you wrote is hard to follow. I have no idea why you are discussing monopolies, it has nothing to do with what I wrote. As for your strawman comment - I did not present a strawman, here is an example of one: 1.Prof. Jones: "The university just cut our yearly budget by $10,000." Prof. Smith: "What are we going to do?" Prof. Brown: "I think we should eliminate one of the teaching assistant positions. That would take care of it." Prof. Jones: "We could reduce our scheduled raises instead." Prof. Brown: " I can't understand why you want to bleed us dry like that, Jones." Here is another: After Will said that we should put more money into health and education, Warren responded by saying that he was surprised that Will hates our country so much that he wants to leave it defenceless by cutting military spending. Here is another: Senator X: I think it's irresponsible to keep putting so much capital into the defense budget when we are facing a severe deficit. Senator Y: Obviously Senator X wishes to leave our country defenseless! What I did, was present the same kind of argument that is being presented here and showed how it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. That isn't a strawman. It is refutation. Where to start, hmmm, yes, you did use a strawman. " The government wants to limit access to automatic weapons. You know if they take that step the next thing they'll do is come after all of our weapons. I can tell you this will surely happen because it's what happened in Nazi Germany. This is saying that since goverment did A we all assume they will do B. What was talked about here is that since they do A, they will probably repeat A again. Your argument is entirely different of nature and can be correctly classified as a strawman. A strawman is when you write something that is correct in itself, but is not directly on topic, which makes it look as though you know what you are talking about. Why i discuss monopolies and why these advertisements is a bad thing is to paint to you a picture, it's to discuss the ideologies behind this whole scenario. " Crackmonster wrote: You, in return for money, agree to influence the minds of your constumers to be favorable towards those who paid you, and not all the other similar products, so that they may gain without it being due to the quality of their products. The techniques are subconscious akin to those used in german propaganda movies against jews. Not as severe, not even close, but in essence its subconscious influence in order to gain more and reach a favorable position among those influenced. It does not garner my respect because it is not respectable. It's a part of the poisonous games that people play because they want more, they are poisioning the youth. I am not surprised it comes from something such as razor with their plastic like products with their low endurance. They just want to sell something that breaks down rather fastish so that they may sell more, and the quality of the product matters less than the amount being pushed. Poisonous games again, which only serve to consume our natural resources faster. You may say what you want, but the more people respect themselves, and the more pride they take in their own work, the less likely they are to let someone place something in their work just so that they may reap the monetary rewards or gain influence. Which brings me briefly back to point 1 and 2. 1. This is common sense, and old knowledge. It is similar to when you kill once you are more likely to kill again, because it is only about butching the idealism and pride that lives inside you. Once you did it once, it will not be as hard for you to do the wrong again. I do not care to search for hours till find the precise sociological investigations to "prove" it to you, just because i want to be right. This is old knowledge, and if you do not recognize it then i cannot do much. 2. Yes i do very much indicate that advertising and selling out is the easy way to get money. It is hard to say no once you start walking down that path, because you start being dependant on that source of income, and to not have it would be a setback that you have to pay for with hard work. I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all.	Posted by Crackmonster#7709 on Sep 1, 2013, 6:14:55 AM Quote this Post
" Bex_GGG wrote: Hey guys, I'm sorry to hear that some of you are upset about the footprints being implemented. Please read this quote from Chris in regards to his stance on the issue. " Chris wrote: We're very aware that many company logos wouldn't fit in the PoE game world. We've turned down offers from a lot of companies because what they asked for would upset us as gamers. Razer is different for a few reasons. Their logo fits well with the game world and their company culture is very similar to ours. I spent some time with their CEO earlier this year - he is a true gamer and an awesome guy. The software that is being promoted is actually useful for playing PoE, because we don't have voice chat built into the client at this stage. Partnerships like this (where we can find ones that don't hurt the game) are really important for the future of PoE. I share just as much concern as you do about bad partnerships hurting the game, and will make sure that doesn't happen. I wish Chris would come and tell us who suggested these footprints to who. And i wish that he would think about why, and also the role he is playing in that game: The pawn. I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all. Last edited by Crackmonster#7709 on Sep 1, 2013, 6:29:44 AM	Posted by Crackmonster#7709 on Sep 1, 2013, 6:24:44 AM Quote this Post