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The_x_ile wrote:
1. vaal pact not here for reflect, it make u 100% full life each hit, and u only need life leech without life on hit to do that, u also dont need any life potion , so u can get faster.
(didnt get that super skatchy thing)
2. less life? got only 20% less, but + 12 to life and much more str. so dont think its less life.
3. i have 5% more projectile dmg, 5% faster attack speed, and 80%!!! more evation/armor in nodes.
4. u can change that to the franzy charges (5 instead of 6 true, but still) - personnaly i think that elemental hit will got better for 1 target.
5. no unwavaring stance : here is a dilema - u have HIGH life, so your chances of getting stun in the first place r low, add to that the 30% chance to not getting stun , also add to that that u have 50% chance to not get stunned if u have more than 0 ES (get at least 1 :) ) , and on top of that all, add 5% chance to evade attack in general. (because u didnt take unwavering), so i dont think that any worse.
6. i get 30 % chance to pierce...
7. have 25% more chance to crit (not big deal but still), and u can take that power charge node if u really interested
(something like that :
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIAAF4EfgW1CC4M8g5IDq0PqxGWFHUVIBXwFr8Zjhm0GdUZ1xrbIXYj9iT9JpUppSo4Kk0s6TB8MfozDDY9Nug51DpSOlg64T7PPydKfU3jUUdVS1b6WK9aSGHiY0NnoGqTbWxte26qb_JwUnDVdEF293fUeA19dX8rhs6HGYd2h9uIa4jxjDaNfY2_m42do6CfoaSly6ZXqW6qf6q4rFmuk6_rsTC1SLXyu-O95r6nwA_AUcSiyqnK09JN037VANXt3Q3fv-Hb44TnVOd06mLtg-4O73rv8PPq-Vb5Y_qx_Kv8xf4r_o_-uv7I_94= )
The only good thing I got out all of that is not having to use unwavering and just because you have high life doesn't mean you can't get stunned (which is why I won't try it since im 60%+ into 96) and when you do end up getting stunned or even worse chain stunned by rhoa's or guards the fact that you have Vaal Pact means you won't be able to life pot which will lead you to most likely dying or coming close to dying. 20% life is also better than slightly more strength because of kaoms. Pierce sucks. Damage isn't something this build should seek out unless you don't have crit multi nodes which is why I don't go into the ranger tree for projectile damage (same with duelist).
Shadow LA/Frenzy Crit Guide : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/470867 || Best Life Belt on PoE for Mirror : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/521100
IGN : Blastrophe
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Posted byBlastrophe#3071on Sep 1, 2013, 5:47:48 PM
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Blastrophe wrote:
The only good thing I got out all of that is not having to use unwavering and just because you have high life doesn't mean you can't get stunned (which is why I won't try it since im 60%+ into 96) and when you do end up getting stunned or even worse chain stunned by rhoa's or guards the fact that you have Vaal Pact means you won't be able to life pot which will lead you to most likely dying or coming close to dying. 20% life is also better than slightly more strength because of kaoms. Pierce sucks. Damage isn't something this build should seek out unless you don't have crit multi nodes which is why I don't go into the ranger tree for projectile damage (same with duelist).
ok. i gave u real explanations, and u just "sux", not really convincing ...
1 , u said the only thing that good is the fact that i didnt take unwavering stance, and than u say that sux.... ?
2, what is the thing with 60% into 96? didnt get that.
3. guards could be a problem, i agree even though i explained that the chance u will be stunned even from them is low, and u actually can kill them before they coming.
4. chain stunned? really low chance of that , maybe if u stand inside a group and let them hit u freely..
5. i wont be able to take potions, u r right, but, 1 shot, will always make me 100% life... thats all u need realy. (than u can free the slots of life potions to other potions, (higher armor? lucky crit? run faster?)
6. 20% life is better than the str nodes, agree, but when u have 7k life, different of 200 not really mean much.
7. pierce sux? LOL thats really wrong, lame and misleading, u can say chain is better than pierce, but im have BOTH which is awesome! (and not costing me anything more).
8. because the vaal pact u can leave the life on hit, cause life leech will always get u to 100% life, and put WED, that 80% MORE dmg, + faster attacks + higher dmg from nodes, we talking here about DOUBLE the dmg.... and than u say "dmg isnt something u should seek out".... u kill all the guards and rohas that u so afraid of twice as fast (anyway u kill them really fast, so now the really wont get near u), seriously? dmg doesnt matter?
9. u forgot the fact that i have 80% more armor( yes MORE armor, not increased more than u, cause u didnt took any node with that), and now ull probably tell me "armor isnt important either", and than ill ask u " than why did u take iron reflexes?" - also not important?
my builds:
- COLB (Cast On Last Breath) first ever build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1632595
- the Flash: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1367774
- the oro's bridle build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1409823
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Posted byThe_x_ile#7220on Sep 1, 2013, 11:28:35 PM
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The_x_ile wrote:
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Blastrophe wrote:
The only good thing I got out all of that is not having to use unwavering and just because you have high life doesn't mean you can't get stunned (which is why I won't try it since im 60%+ into 96) and when you do end up getting stunned or even worse chain stunned by rhoa's or guards the fact that you have Vaal Pact means you won't be able to life pot which will lead you to most likely dying or coming close to dying. 20% life is also better than slightly more strength because of kaoms. Pierce sucks. Damage isn't something this build should seek out unless you don't have crit multi nodes which is why I don't go into the ranger tree for projectile damage (same with duelist).
2, what is the thing with 60% into 96? didnt get that.
Doubt he wants to change his build to assume he "may" not get stunned, when a death at that level likely costs a huge amount of time played - I'm not even going to guess how long :P
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Posted byritualzz#3303on Sep 2, 2013, 8:28:22 AM
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The_x_ile wrote:
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Blastrophe wrote:
The only good thing I got out all of that is not having to use unwavering and just because you have high life doesn't mean you can't get stunned (which is why I won't try it since im 60%+ into 96) and when you do end up getting stunned or even worse chain stunned by rhoa's or guards the fact that you have Vaal Pact means you won't be able to life pot which will lead you to most likely dying or coming close to dying. 20% life is also better than slightly more strength because of kaoms. Pierce sucks. Damage isn't something this build should seek out unless you don't have crit multi nodes which is why I don't go into the ranger tree for projectile damage (same with duelist).
ok. i gave u real explanations, and u just "sux", not really convincing ...
1 , u said the only thing that good is the fact that i didnt take unwavering stance, and than u say that sux.... ?
2, what is the thing with 60% into 96? didnt get that.
3. guards could be a problem, i agree even though i explained that the chance u will be stunned even from them is low, and u actually can kill them before they coming.
4. chain stunned? really low chance of that , maybe if u stand inside a group and let them hit u freely..
5. i wont be able to take potions, u r right, but, 1 shot, will always make me 100% life... thats all u need realy. (than u can free the slots of life potions to other potions, (higher armor? lucky crit? run faster?)
6. 20% life is better than the str nodes, agree, but when u have 7k life, different of 200 not really mean much.
7. pierce sux? LOL thats really wrong, lame and misleading, u can say chain is better than pierce, but im have BOTH which is awesome! (and not costing me anything more).
8. because the vaal pact u can leave the life on hit, cause life leech will always get u to 100% life, and put WED, that 80% MORE dmg, + faster attacks + higher dmg from nodes, we talking here about DOUBLE the dmg.... and than u say "dmg isnt something u should seek out".... u kill all the guards and rohas that u so afraid of twice as fast (anyway u kill them really fast, so now the really wont get near u), seriously? dmg doesnt matter?
9. u forgot the fact that i have 80% more armor( yes MORE armor, not increased more than u, cause u didnt took any node with that), and now ull probably tell me "armor isnt important either", and than ill ask u " than why did u take iron reflexes?" - also not important?
1. As someone who has played also to level 94+ i can tell you there was at least a few times i got chain stunned to death. even with the 30% chance to avoid stun. (i had 7k hp before reserve). Its very rare but it does happen. And at level 96, ONE DEATH can cost you like 50 exalted orbs. Why take the risk if you simply dont have to?
2. He is saying that at his level and he is over half way into level 96 experience wise, dying is a HUGEEEEEE setback. Wasted tons of hours and currency for maps and maps itself.
3. Its not only guards. There are map mods that can cause elemental damage to stun. This can very well fuck you over on high level maps such as crematorium and others. (Bosses as well)
4. Chain stunned helps quite often if your play style is run up tank and spank. Most do that because sitting back is lame.
5. Again if you get chain stunned you wont be able to shoot. If you hit a rohas pack with extra crit chance and crit damage, you can get zerged from 9k hp to zero in 1 SECOND. Happened to me before HP nerf.
6. 200 life is actually vastly superior than a little more str.
7. PIERCE DOES SUCK. If you have both you are doing it wrong. If something pierces IT WILL NOT CHAIN.
8. You are right damage does matter, but RNG IS RNG. Just because your damage is very high, does not mean you can ignore monster damage mechanics.
9. Armor is great. But when you add up granite + grace + party auras + endurance charges, your damage reduction to physical damage should be easy to manage. (IF YOU CANT GET STUNNED).
you make good points, but in reality, what REALLYYYY matters in the end is TO NOT DIE AT ANY COST when you are level 94+.
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Posted byBuDiu#0138on Sep 2, 2013, 12:24:53 PM
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BuDiu wrote:
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The_x_ile wrote:
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Blastrophe wrote:
The only good thing I got out all of that is not having to use unwavering and just because you have high life doesn't mean you can't get stunned (which is why I won't try it since im 60%+ into 96) and when you do end up getting stunned or even worse chain stunned by rhoa's or guards the fact that you have Vaal Pact means you won't be able to life pot which will lead you to most likely dying or coming close to dying. 20% life is also better than slightly more strength because of kaoms. Pierce sucks. Damage isn't something this build should seek out unless you don't have crit multi nodes which is why I don't go into the ranger tree for projectile damage (same with duelist).
ok. i gave u real explanations, and u just "sux", not really convincing ...
1 , u said the only thing that good is the fact that i didnt take unwavering stance, and than u say that sux.... ?
2, what is the thing with 60% into 96? didnt get that.
3. guards could be a problem, i agree even though i explained that the chance u will be stunned even from them is low, and u actually can kill them before they coming.
4. chain stunned? really low chance of that , maybe if u stand inside a group and let them hit u freely..
5. i wont be able to take potions, u r right, but, 1 shot, will always make me 100% life... thats all u need realy. (than u can free the slots of life potions to other potions, (higher armor? lucky crit? run faster?)
6. 20% life is better than the str nodes, agree, but when u have 7k life, different of 200 not really mean much.
7. pierce sux? LOL thats really wrong, lame and misleading, u can say chain is better than pierce, but im have BOTH which is awesome! (and not costing me anything more).
8. because the vaal pact u can leave the life on hit, cause life leech will always get u to 100% life, and put WED, that 80% MORE dmg, + faster attacks + higher dmg from nodes, we talking here about DOUBLE the dmg.... and than u say "dmg isnt something u should seek out".... u kill all the guards and rohas that u so afraid of twice as fast (anyway u kill them really fast, so now the really wont get near u), seriously? dmg doesnt matter?
9. u forgot the fact that i have 80% more armor( yes MORE armor, not increased more than u, cause u didnt took any node with that), and now ull probably tell me "armor isnt important either", and than ill ask u " than why did u take iron reflexes?" - also not important?
1. As someone who has played also to level 94+ i can tell you there was at least a few times i got chain stunned to death. even with the 30% chance to avoid stun. (i had 7k hp before reserve). Its very rare but it does happen. And at level 96, ONE DEATH can cost you like 50 exalted orbs. Why take the risk if you simply dont have to?
2. He is saying that at his level and he is over half way into level 96 experience wise, dying is a HUGEEEEEE setback. Wasted tons of hours and currency for maps and maps itself.
3. Its not only guards. There are map mods that can cause elemental damage to stun. This can very well fuck you over on high level maps such as crematorium and others. (Bosses as well)
4. Chain stunned helps quite often if your play style is run up tank and spank. Most do that because sitting back is lame.
5. Again if you get chain stunned you wont be able to shoot. If you hit a rohas pack with extra crit chance and crit damage, you can get zerged from 9k hp to zero in 1 SECOND. Happened to me before HP nerf.
6. 200 life is actually vastly superior than a little more str.
7. PIERCE DOES SUCK. If you have both you are doing it wrong. If something pierces IT WILL NOT CHAIN.
8. You are right damage does matter, but RNG IS RNG. Just because your damage is very high, does not mean you can ignore monster damage mechanics.
9. Armor is great. But when you add up granite + grace + party auras + endurance charges, your damage reduction to physical damage should be easy to manage. (IF YOU CANT GET STUNNED).
you make good points, but in reality, what REALLYYYY matters in the end is TO NOT DIE AT ANY COST when you are level 94+.
are u sure about that pierce and chain? if so i didnt know that, if all u say is wrong with my build is the unwavering... than here:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIAAF4EfgW1CC4M8g5IDq0PqxGWFHUVIBXwFr8Zjhm0GdUZ1xrbIXYj9iT9JpUppSo4Kk0s6TB8MfozDDY9Nug51DpSOlg64T7PPydKfU3jUUdVS1YEVvpYr1pIYVJh4mNDZ6Bqk21sbXtuqm_ycFJw1XRBdvd4DX8rhmCGzocZh3aH24hriPGMNo19jb-bjZ2jn8ugn6GkpcumV6luqn-quKxZrpOv67EwtUi18r3mvqfAD8BRyqnK09JN037VANXt3Q3fv-Hb44TnVOd06mLtg-4O73rv8PPq-WP6sfyr_MX-K_6P_sj_3g==[\url]
still much higher dps + higher armor + insta heal to max life - all at the cost off 200 life
my builds:
- COLB (Cast On Last Breath) first ever build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1632595
- the Flash: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1367774
- the oro's bridle build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1409823
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Posted byThe_x_ile#7220on Sep 2, 2013, 2:51:10 PM
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Pierce only sucks if you're running with low %. You ideally want 100%+.
You also don't want to use the gem, since you can get it from curse + tree.
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Posted byXendran#1127on Sep 2, 2013, 7:00:47 PM
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Pierce is good ONLY if you run with high chance and not going with chain / fork
a projectile hit can either pierce, or chain. it would be less effective than focusing on either chain or pierce
Master 8: All
CyclERa 93 TS/Puncture, CyclEWS 89 LL-ST
thread /463641 GMT+8 Last edited by Cycl3#2351 on Sep 2, 2013, 9:56:57 PM
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Posted byCycl3#2351on Sep 2, 2013, 9:56:01 PM
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very solid build, although starting with ranger would have been stronger
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Posted byIcywiener#5041on Sep 2, 2013, 10:52:47 PM
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Hi,
I've been reading this build since I picked up Voltaxic, and I was just wanting to see which build had more DPS with my gear.
current build is
build i could move to
using this gear
Would there be a large dps increase moving to the crit-based build, versus the shock chance?
Note: I am running Ele Hit + ele prof + gmp + RAT for shock stacking as it is currently.
i would likely swap quivers for
Any help would be appreciated :) I am noob at math and cannot calculate my dps without more help
Last edited by anicocia#5427 on Sep 2, 2013, 11:35:53 PM
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Posted byanicocia#5427on Sep 2, 2013, 11:34:50 PM
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can this be done without lion eye bow or komas?
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Posted bydirtydevil87#0843on Sep 3, 2013, 3:25:50 AM
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