The Lightning Templar [Community Builds]

Just started yesterday and made this today. How does it look?

Still not sure if im going Blood Magic or not.

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glenntmm wrote:

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Gaiosan wrote:

first of all, how can you know which one of them gave you a "bigger dps increase"? do you have some indication of how much you actually hit the mob for?

second of all, its a build\gear related question, my wrath is lvl 15 and my clarity is lvl 13, tempest shield is something like that as well (dont remember :X), my mana pool was about 435~ish, and i could not for the sake of me keep all 3 auras + LS\totem\curse.
My LS is LS+Phys dmg+Ele dmg+Faster attacks\LMP (i switch between them), it's about 36mana with FA and about 46 with LMP, casting time 0.46~\0.6~. Totem is Shock Nova + Totem + Ele Prof + reduced mana (93 mana, no knockback yet).
Im lvl 64 btw,

I had to respec about 9 points from different %blocks to get the templar mana route, up to 2nd 8% mana (8% ele dmg+ 8% ele dmg + 5% ele dmg, Celestial Walker, 10 int, 8% increased mana, 8% increased mana, prestidigitation).
Mana pool is now about 516 if i'm not wrong.
Tempest shield + Iron will + reduced mana + Elemental prof.
Both clarity and Wrath are connected to the same support gem - Reduced Mana 16.

Before that i had about 20~ mana per sec regeneration from gear only (no clarity) and i was ALWAYS starved and could not hold tempest shield + wrath + clarity (not even low lvl one).

Now once i took these 9 points i can hold clarity 13, wrath 15 and my tempest shield (had to take elemental prof down from tempest shield to make it possible :(, and also Increased AOE from both auras), but now i got about 100 free mana with 70~ mana\sec regeneration...

Did i make a horrible mistake? im not low lvl anymore and mana is still a HUGE problem for me...

Also my DPS is fairly low (for my opinion...), its about 1250 solo and 1950 FULL part buffs... (not calculating shock stacks).

I'd love some help, and i'd be more than happy to upload my build (it's like OP but with mana route instaed of a few %blocks), and even my gear (if someone will tell me how :X).

Thanks alot in advance for the help.

first thing first....why lv 13 clarity? you should not at any point leveled clarity more than lv 3 without high pool of mana


or you could try LS+faster attack+LMP+ mana leech + ele damage (5L chest) [you can swap mana leech with reduced mana but i think mana leech is better] ,

tempest+clarity+determination/wrath+reduced mana (4L glove/boots/shield)

determination can also be used by using reduced mana in another gear like helmet

ranged attack totem or another good totem link with increase area of effect and increased duration + another good support gem (4L gear)

ele damage + added fire damage + MPD/ faster attack + heavy strike (Q20 for increase in attack speed) for one target is good boost



you have to get decent gear for this build imo, that's the real downside

thanks for answering,
really not level clarity above level 3? i did not know that.
i still got a level 5 in my bank, or ill buy a new one.

and wrath should be leveled as much as possible?
what about tempest shield? as well?

I think that without high level clarity i wont be able to support my skills, and ill be OOM after 6-8 attacks...

All my gear is 4L (weap and shield are 3L)...
getting an ES\STR chest with RRRGG or RRGGG is freakin impossible... so i roll with RRRG now (pure str, no es).

how much mana regen do i need on my gear without clarity?
because with 0.46 attack\per sec with a mana cost of 50~ its about 105~ mana consume per sec when i spam LS... ill never get regeneration so high!

lvl 5 is fine with 500++ mana

its not about mana regen that you have to worry about but rather your mana pool that could be used to use skill

say for example with max clarity i got 100 mana left ..that means after 1st attack i have to wait for my mana to regen...which mean 1 sec delay for every skill...its not good...i would rather sacrifice some regen and get mana pool in which i am comfortable to do anything...

for your case...reduced mana/mana leech is a must you cant go without it and try to find a high leveled one not a higher quality one

tempest shield can or rather should be maxed ...to not consume any mana ( because it depends on actual mana not % mana ) you could use blood magic + reduced mana

basically all skill that reserve your mana not % mana can/ should be linked with blood magic+ high leveled&high quality reduced mana ...just imagine 2 aura (wrath and tempest) could be used without sacrificing your mana pool...

for 4L LS you could do....LS+ ele damage + LMP + reduced mana/ mana leech which mean you have to sacrifice your attack speed without faster attack gem..try to find 5L and give it a shot to get RRRGG or RRGGG *(good luck bro)

Hey guys, so I reposted the build in light of the new balance changes in Open Beta. You'll See more life nodes, and a stint into the mana section of the templar.

Taking Zealot's oath reasoning : ES will give you 50% chance to avoid stun animation when struck by a hit that would stun you. No matter what amount of ES - 1, 5, 300, 2000 - Doesn't matter. Since only 1% life regen is taken it's not enough to actually have an impact on the health pool. This is also important as the block animation will have that 50% avoidance.

Mana, Mana.

To answer your questions :
I leveled clarity to 14 in closed beta, this was the last level clarity didn't face extreme diminishing returns.
With the Clarity nerf in Open beta, I decided to max it out and run it - Along with Wrath - on blood magic & RMC. Near end game you should (if my build variant is followed) have over 200% max life on passives. (Aswell as the 90~% ES&Armor bonus). This should get you to roughly 3-5K depending on gearing.

Tempest shield should ALWAYS be run with
: Reduc Mana C.
: Elemental Proliferation
: Iron Will.

Elemental Proliferation is absolutely vital for providing shock stacks.
Iron Will is vital for increase TS's damage which is a factor in calculating the shock stacks' duration.

PS: I thought this build died as I've seen 4-5 other Lightning Temp threads, thanks for necroing the original guys ^^.

Just started my templar as well, just wondering if the original lightning build is still viable?

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Trickyraw wrote:

Just started my templar as well, just wondering if the original lightning build is still viable?

The Original (Which you see flying around in the templar forum "Templar God build / Mace Shield LS templar" ) isn't viable - simply put, they are a good example of lacking adaption.

Pre Open Beta, Lightning Strike was THE melee skill to use - Until kripparian pointed out to the dev's that both the Main hit and the Center Lightning bolt hit the target.

Now it's much more on par with every other skill - Which doesn't mean it's bad.

With all that,
It's important that you understand the major factors of a build like this.

- Life/EHP
- Mana management
- Damage Conversions & Modifiers.
- Shock Stacks


In short,

Yes this build is viable.

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glenntmm wrote:

lvl 5 is fine with 500++ mana

its not about mana regen that you have to worry about but rather your mana pool that could be used to use skill

say for example with max clarity i got 100 mana left ..that means after 1st attack i have to wait for my mana to regen...which mean 1 sec delay for every skill...its not good...i would rather sacrifice some regen and get mana pool in which i am comfortable to do anything...

for your case...reduced mana/mana leech is a must you cant go without it and try to find a high leveled one not a higher quality one

tempest shield can or rather should be maxed ...to not consume any mana ( because it depends on actual mana not % mana ) you could use blood magic + reduced mana

basically all skill that reserve your mana not % mana can/ should be linked with blood magic+ high leveled&high quality reduced mana ...just imagine 2 aura (wrath and tempest) could be used without sacrificing your mana pool...

for 4L LS you could do....LS+ ele damage + LMP + reduced mana/ mana leech which mean you have to sacrifice your attack speed without faster attack gem..try to find 5L and give it a shot to get RRRGG or RRGGG *(good luck bro)

thank you for answering,
a few things:

-even with clarity lvl 5 - when i put back increased aoe for wrath & clarity, i get 70 mana pool left (max), and my regen is low, 45~. so unless i put it in a 5L piece (which with LS, obviously, i cant, i will never have room for Blood Magic).

-with the setup i had before (i had about 98 mana pool - just enough for all my skills), and regen was so fast that i could spam what i want, whenever i want and NEVER run out of mana. so there was no waiting time between skills.

-i don't understand what you meant about tempest shield, it IS a %mana based skill, and not actual mana, so taking 25% of my HP is MUCH more than 25% of my mana, seems more hurt than benefit.

-My current setup:
3L Sceptre (RBR) - 3 junk skills - Leap Slam, Conductivity\Elemental Weakness, Enduring Cry.
4L Head (RBRB) - Spell Totem 16, Shock Nova 13, Recuded Mana 14 (Will be replaced with KnockBack when i get one, Elemental Proliferation 16.
3L Shield (RRB) - 3 junk skills (for exp & occasional use) - Dominating Blow 9% 15, Shield Charge 6, Increased AoE 5.
4L Chest (RGRR) - Meelee Phys Dmg 16, [Mana Leech 1\Faster attacks 13% 1\LMP 1] need to decide which one to use, Weap Ele DMG 16, LS 16.
4L Gloves (BRBR) - Tempest Shield 16, Iron Will 16, Elemental Proliferation 13*, Reduced Mana 16.
4L Boots (BBRB) - Wrath 15, Increased AoE 10*,Reduced Mana 15, Clarity 5\13**.

*With the Increased AoE gem on boots and Elemental Proliferation on Hands I get almost no mana left (79 max free), and as you can see i got high lvl Reduced Mana on every high mana skill.

**With this setup, i have 46.6 Mana\sec, If i put Clarity 13 and remove Increased AoE from boots and Elemental Proliferation from Hands, i get 98 mana free (just enough for my highest mana skill) with 76.2 Mana\sec, NEVER RUN OUT OF MANA this way.

so you see my problem, I can't use all the above mentioned support skills, no matter how I try it.

-I also have 2% Phys atk dmg leeched back as mana on gloves (+mana leech if i can combine it in my setup)

-And last thing, about gearing:
Should ALL my items be STR\INT?
My current chest is pure str (dropped with green socket), i used about 100~ chromatics on a STR\INT i've found and did not get a green socket combo yet.
I also bought Crest of Penderus and frankly, it kinda messed up my build, my shield has alot of armor and TONS of resistances, is losing all that worth 16% block?

Am I doing anything wrong?

-Misc Stats:
HP: 1570
ES: 498
Max Mana: 521
INT: 142 (After Items)
STR: 290 (After Items)
DEX: 65 (After Items)
all res: 80% (beside chaos -20%)
chance to block: 44% with tempest shield (w\o crest of pen)(had to take a few % off for mana nodes)

I'd love some help organizing my gear and gems...
Any tip would be welcome [=
thank you very much...

Hey guys just a quick question
Which way do you prefer in act 2 killing the bandits?

With this build? Oak, Oak, Skill; or maybe Oak, Skill, Skill.

It does not directly apply to this build but is still relevant I think.
Is it possible to use two sceptres and have the effects from both (like + lightning damage, elemental damage etc)?