[1.0.6] CI Crit Dagger Shadow (30k DPS Flicker Ninja) [OB video up!]

I only use 3 auras because I don't really feel the need to use more. Haste is wayyy too much mana and I honestly don't feel like it adds much. Don't need Purity because my resists are already capped. Grace would probably be useful for me, but as you can see I have no place to put it, and the Spell Totem is way too useful to ever drop.

That might help you out a bit: Try a using Spell Totem + Faster Casting + Summon Skeletons and cast it behind you when there are mobs you have trouble with. The extra six skeletons it casts means that many more hits you are not taking basically giving you way more "dodge" than Grace will ever give you. And since the totem is behind you it doesn't take hits at all and casts Skeletons faster than they die with Faster Casting.

Since you granite and your resists are good the only other options are the totem (which is what I use,) get like 20k DPS to out-leech any and all damage (super hard,) or get like 10k ES to laugh at literally any hits you ever take (the hardest of all.)

Being melee endgame is hard as balls. You will get your face pounded in unless you either have gear worth many hundreds of Exalts, 7 Endurance charges, or something to tank for you like Decoy Totem or Spell Totem.

My gear, while I am proud, of it is nothing close to the hundred-plus Exalt level, and I have no Endurance Charges, so I just rely on my Skelebros.

Hope this helps!

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Kirarik wrote:

Since you granite and your resists are good the only other options are the totem (which is what I use,) get like 20k DPS to out-leech any and all damage (super hard,) or get like 10k ES to laugh at literally any hits you ever take (the hardest of all.)

Being melee endgame is hard as balls. You will get your face pounded in unless you either have gear worth many hundreds of Exalts, 7 Endurance charges, or something to tank for you like Decoy Totem or Spell Totem.

I have to disagree with you here. Having 20K aoe dps is not hard to get with the crit build and gear. And it only costed me 9 ex total for everything i have on my char. And 20K aoe dps allows for facetanking anything since if it won't oneshot you, your dps will heal you back to full hp with only bloodrage leech. And you can also have 35K single target dps and this will allow you to just rape Piety as a melee with you dualstrike on 71 Temple map while Topas flask is up.

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I have to disagree with you here. Having 20K aoe dps is not hard to get with the crit build and gear. And it only costed me 9 ex total for everything i have on my char. And 20K aoe dps allows for facetanking anything since if it won't oneshot you, your dps will heal you back to full hp with only bloodrage leech. And you can also have 35K single target dps and this will allow you to just rape Piety as a melee with you dualstrike on 71 Temple map while Topas flask is up.

Well I can't speak for your build as I have never tried it; however in my post I was talking about the CI Crit Dagger build. That is kinda what this entire thread is about.

But regardless, if you can show me a cheap way to get 20k AOE DPS and 35k single-target DPS I would be very much obliged, because I am only sitting at 6k buffed LS and 15K buffed Dual Strike with what I feel are pretty decent daggers.



I saw your gear in the other thread and I really want to see your DPS screenshot showing this.

EDIT: Also, I checked out your build more and I have no idea why you disagree with me. One of the ways I talked about was Endurance Charges, which combined with high DPS, is what keeps you alive. That's one of the way to make melee work that I listed in my previous post.

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Kirarik wrote:

EDIT: Well I checked out your build video and I have no idea why you disagree with me. One of the ways I talked about was Endurance Charges, which combined with high DPS is what keeps you alive. Basically what I listed.

The only thing i was disagreeing was that having 20K dps cost near 100 exalteds and hard to get for a crit shadow build. We have other problems with our build - status aligments, reling on potions to survive phys dmg, dying when not paying attention. But getting high dps is not a problem for dual dagger crit build. Also i don't have 7 endurance charges, only the base three.

20k DPS is very high in my opinion. 100 Exalts is an obvious exaggeration, as well as 7 Endurance Charges, my main point was that high DPS is hard to get and Endurance charges are one way of surviving.

Show me your 20k AOE DPS screenshot on a 9 Exalt budget, and no joke I will make a new character and follow that build right now. I am genuinely interested because it sounds too good to be true.

Accidental double post, lmao.

I have 20k aoe dps with curse. My tooltip shows 12k and my curse make it 20k tnx to 86% crit chance I have with it. If you were refering to 20k aoe dps without curse then I must say I don't have it as that would be like 37 with curse. But if you was talking about 20k without curse then I must disagree that such high dps is required to outheal all dmg as my experience shows that my dps is enough to do this. My gear with what I payed for it along with tooltip screen is in my build thread.

It doesn't seem like we disagree at all, the 12k DPS you have is the number I feel would be sufficient to be able to sustain as a melee granted you use Enduring Cry like you do.

Basically it still comes down to having at least one of three things to survive maps as a melee: A ton of gear, Endurance Charges, or something to tank for you like Decoy/Spell Totem.

I've yet to see a "budget" geared melee facetank everything in maps without at least one of those three. And though 9 Exalts doesn't seem like much to you and me, to a new player just starting maps that may seem like a ton of currency.

That's why I recommended Spell Totem until he gets better gear, although your build is helpful to him also as another way to tackle his problem.

thx guys
you helped me a lot, i use spell totem now, gives me a lot survivability, and i got rid of
multi linked to flicker, had no desync till now, but still hugh dps on flicker.

i changed the colours on my dagger using wrath instead of warlord, gives me nice additional DPS on LS, just reroll reflect.

still getting used to the skeletons, try to get rid of grace when i leveled up
did 67% of level today without dying (didnt happen since lvl 70, lol)

played 2 lvl 70 maps alone :)
couldnt think of that without changing skills

also found lvl 71 map, also doing this when i leveled up.

thx a lot guys, great community

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Kirarik wrote:

It doesn't seem like we disagree at all, the 12k DPS you have is the number I feel would be sufficient to be able to sustain as a melee granted you use Enduring Cry like you do.

Basically it still comes down to having at least one of three things to survive maps as a melee: A ton of gear, Endurance Charges, or something to tank for you like Decoy/Spell Totem.

I've yet to see a "budget" geared melee facetank everything in maps without at least one of those three. And though 9 Exalts doesn't seem like much to you and me, to a new player just starting maps that may seem like a ton of currency.

That's why I recommended Spell Totem until he gets better gear, although your build is helpful to him also as another way to tackle his problem.

I do agree with you that 9 exalted is not a build for a new player. This is my third character and I must say I did some farming to afford it. All CI builds are very gear dependant and I would not recommend them to a new player. I also agree with you that if you are a true melee endurance charges are a must. And I actually find spell totem with skeletons pretty useful on my range character, but as a melee monsters tend to ignore skeletons if you are close to them, also enduring cry tend to pull mobs from skeletons. In general I always advise charges to melee and totem range.
Also I like to point out that lightning strike and flicker strike do not benefit form 2 weapons like cleave or dual strike so it is more practical to use weapon and shield or if 2 weapons consider melee splash with dual strike. This will be more effective aoe for dw build.