[1.0.6] CI Crit Dagger Shadow (30k DPS Flicker Ninja) [OB video up!]

Currently i'm 62 lvl Shadow with 3k (without Grace/ with -> 4k) and 700 shield (without Discipline/with -> 1100) and crit chance 27%
What can i say...
1. The build is NERFED long ago. Flasks are no more 10k armour, 1 crit = 1 charge. CI doesn't grant 50% ES.
2. It's really hard(or long) to lvl unless you have a friend. Rule number 0: add Summoner to party if you want to lvl with this build.
3. LS is a main skill, it's ridiculous - i'm a melee, not a caster. Lighting resistance is the most common on monsters IMHO.
4. No armour except flasks. You can't tank. Admit it.
5. Control, you must control it every millisecond. Summonner can stop, read trade chat or go smoke. You must flicker, escape, LS, curse(forget about curses in party, almost noone doesn't have Whisper of Doom)
7. Stun. No comments

Buy more quality gear they said, take CI they said, it will be fun they said..Yes, for my enemies.

What i'm trying to tell you that with equal amount of time (or currency) your build will be wicker than pure tank or Summoner(Jesus! Spectres with GMP!).

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NakedPlumber wrote:

Currently i'm 62 lvl Shadow with 3k (without Grace/ with -> 4k) and 700 shield (without Discipline/with -> 1100) and crit chance 27%
What can i say...
1. The build is NERFED long ago. Flasks are no more 10k armour, 1 crit = 1 charge. CI doesn't grant 50% ES.
2. It's really hard(or long) to lvl unless you have a friend. Rule number 0: add Summoner to party if you want to lvl with this build.
3. LS is a main skill, it's ridiculous - i'm a melee, not a caster. Lighting resistance is the most common on monsters IMHO.
4. No armour except flasks. You can't tank. Admit it.
5. Control, you must control it every millisecond. Summonner can stop, read trade chat or go smoke. You must flicker, escape, LS, curse(forget about curses in party, almost noone doesn't have Whisper of Doom)
7. Stun. No comments

Buy more quality gear they said, take CI they said, it will be fun they said..Yes, for my enemies.

What i'm trying to tell you that with equal amount of time (or currency) your build will be wicker than pure tank or Summoner(Jesus! Spectres with GMP!).

Summoner always was faceroll and always will be. Problem in poe is just, melees are so fking hard work to play, I DONT SAY that melee is weak, but they are so much harder to play than ranged. You have to take the right position, click every single enemy, click, click, you have to watch your hp permanently etc

Adn what I wanted to say, LS is ranged, point. I always took a few meters away from the mob positon, pressing shift and spamming LS until they all are dead. There isnt really a point not to make a "real" caster then.

Thank you for your tips Anamaeus. I very much appreciate it. :)

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NakedPlumber wrote:

5. Control, you must control it every millisecond. Summoner can stop, read trade chat or go smoke. You must flicker, escape, LS, curse(forget about curses in party, almost noone doesn't have Whisper of Doom)

While i agree with most of your points, i believe this point was mentioned quite a few times and for me personally, this is a reason why i went for it.

When i play games I tend to build / pick characters, who kill everything VERY easily with 1 shot, but are very susceptible to dying if even smallest mistake is made.. This keeps it interesting, yes i could play hardcore and have the real risk, but i don't want to play only when i am fine, servers are fine and the gods are with me.

Hence the safety net of possible death..

Though i agree CI Shadow at this point isn't faceroll, unless you have godly gear, but at that point any decent build has great power.

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NakedPlumber wrote:

Currently i'm 62 lvl Shadow with 3k (without Grace/ with -> 4k) and 700 shield (without Discipline/with -> 1100) and crit chance 27%
What can i say...
1. The build is NERFED long ago. Flasks are no more 10k armour, 1 crit = 1 charge. CI doesn't grant 50% ES.
2. It's really hard(or long) to lvl unless you have a friend. Rule number 0: add Summoner to party if you want to lvl with this build.
3. LS is a main skill, it's ridiculous - i'm a melee, not a caster. Lighting resistance is the most common on monsters IMHO.
4. No armour except flasks. You can't tank. Admit it.
5. Control, you must control it every millisecond. Summonner can stop, read trade chat or go smoke. You must flicker, escape, LS, curse(forget about curses in party, almost noone doesn't have Whisper of Doom)
7. Stun. No comments

Buy more quality gear they said, take CI they said, it will be fun they said..Yes, for my enemies.

What i'm trying to tell you that with equal amount of time (or currency) your build will be wicker than pure tank or Summoner(Jesus! Spectres with GMP!).

it was nerfed because it was OP, now its balanced. I play at 73+maps and i can tank no problem. Besides i think this build is about playing and enjoying the game.. i really like the fast paced style of play. If u prefer to be a summoner go for it but its just to boring for my taste, people have different opinions for most things anyways

Yay! I managed to get from another kind CI+LS+Flicker shadow (claw user though), so that relieves a lot of pressure to get +str on one or both rings; I can focus more on offensive mods there and consequently end up with more overall dps/mana/res/es. Sure, the belt lacks weapon elemental damage, but the freeing up of two ring mods makes it more than worth it.

I went the amulet route...



Have you guys been leveling up LS past 9? I'm curious how much DPS I would gain but the mana cost is scaring me away, especially when I get my chest to RRGGB instead of RGGBB and add Weapon Ele Dmg.

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NakedPlumber wrote:

Currently i'm 62 lvl Shadow with 3k (without Grace/ with -> 4k) and 700 shield (without Discipline/with -> 1100) and crit chance 27%
What can i say...
1. The build is NERFED long ago. Flasks are no more 10k armour, 1 crit = 1 charge. CI doesn't grant 50% ES.
2. It's really hard(or long) to lvl unless you have a friend. Rule number 0: add Summoner to party if you want to lvl with this build.
3. LS is a main skill, it's ridiculous - i'm a melee, not a caster. Lighting resistance is the most common on monsters IMHO.
4. No armour except flasks. You can't tank. Admit it.
5. Control, you must control it every millisecond. Summonner can stop, read trade chat or go smoke. You must flicker, escape, LS, curse(forget about curses in party, almost noone doesn't have Whisper of Doom)
7. Stun. No comments

Buy more quality gear they said, take CI they said, it will be fun they said..Yes, for my enemies.

What i'm trying to tell you that with equal amount of time (or currency) your build will be wicker than pure tank or Summoner(Jesus! Spectres with GMP!).

Lol@Bold

1) The build isn't nerfed, you just can't needlessly faceroll with crap/average gear anymore. The flask problem isn't even a problem, you crit often enough to keep 1-2 flasks permanently usable.
2) I'll give you this one but only to a point. You're stacking life, although not a lot, until mid-late game when you can afford to spec CI. Until then, you gotta kinda play cautiously.
3) Face it, it's the only AoE you have available to you with a dagger. Quality gives it innate pierce and it's ranged so you're already saving yourself a support gem. If you think melee means only using close-ranged single target skills then you'll never get far. I hope GGG reads all the threads from people who think the same and end up buffing them, it'll make every other build that makes use of ranged skills even stronger.
4) Life Leech via gems/Blood Rage and Evasion are all you really need. I'm nearly 70 and there are no real problems except puncture and armor doesnt help with that either.
5) Considering you only have 700 ES, You haven't even made it to the CI respec phase. You're not one to judge.
6) Eye of Chayula, as advertised in the first post.

In the future, if I were you, I wouldn't bother saying a build is horrible when you haven't even gotten to the point of really playing it. 700 ES isn't CI worthy for any point of the game. Skipping over necessary equipment that was advertised in the build description isn't a good point for you either.

Also, let's not get into that "what is and isnt melee" garbage. The build uses Lightning Strike because it works.

Well Casval I think sometimes people gloss over the cons section of the build guide where it says the build is extremely gear dependant.

This means that without dumping a lot of focus and currency into it, you're going to feel average and you're going to end up with average results. There are certain break points in both DPS and defensive attributes that you're going to strive for to really see big differences in the performance.

I think I mentioned earlier that I agree it's difficult to gear this build, it's certainly not for everyone. I think that's exactly why I like it though. It for me personally isn't as much fun to play my ground slam Mara because it's got less effort put into it than my CI Shadow. Both work fine for the point they are at in their build though I feel more attached to the shadow because of the effort I sank into it. It is a very rewarding feeling to turn the corner on a build that's struggling and see that transition from being average to powerful.

It's also listed on the guide that this is not recommended for a first main build and I wonder how many people took that to heart and still played their shadow main. I definitely tried it as my first main character and it was a struggle at several points but now it's a lot of fun and I feel as powerful as any one if not more so in my mapping groups.

So what I am getting at ultimately is that maybe some of you need to take a step back and make a secondary character or promote one to main character status, focus on your summoners or whatever fun build you enjoy doing and get back to your shadow after a while.

question, how much are these worth?



and are they better than

Boots are prolly 1 exalted, and yes they are better than Sin Treks for general usage when you get to merciless you will need that resist. The ring is pretty solid too, 4-5 gcp isn't a bad deal for it. The only knock I'd make for it is the lack of Str or flat lightning dmg added onto it, other than that it's a nice set of resists.