Since when did arpgs become merchant simulators?

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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JohnnyLongHoze wrote:

I've read quite a few posts on the forums regarding orb drop rate and a supposed "economy". I'm sorry, I didn't realize that I needed to worry about finances in a game with "no" set currency.

Forgive the incoming wall of text.

-Bro1- increase orb drop rates!!!!
-Bro2- but if you increase drop rates the item costs will increase exponentially
-Bro1- I don't give a shit, I actually wanna try the "crafting" system before dumping 10000 hours into the game
-Bro2- this game has a crafting system?
-Bro1- that's what I read on their homepage but I don't know yet, everyone keeps telling me to save my orbs
-Bro2- yeah man, save those things, if you try and craft an item, you'll spend 1000 times what it would cost to just buy one

Does anyone else see a problem with this?

Yes. Yes I do...

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JohnnyLongHoze wrote:

Here's my idea.....

Increase orb drop rate (excluding mirrors and scrolls) by a factor of maybe 10 and at the same time lower chances to roll the great mods and 6s/6l.

...but your understanding of the cause of this problem is both wrong and ridiculously immature. And I am getting sick and tired of seeing this suggestion over and over again, as if it would solve anything.

Guys, here's the relevant formula:
cost of item used < cost of item new

This formula is impervious to drop rates. And it means that the only people who have an actual interest in creating items with currency are the players who can't find upgrades on the open market — either because the item is too cheap to be worth the time to trade it, or because their gear is so fantastic that upgrades do not exist for them, and must be either directly made or directly farmed.



For everyone else — the vast majority of players — you will always be better off going all thrift shop and trying to find someone else's hand-me-downs... and wasting your currency on a self-made item would be, well, swindling yourself. This is true even if you get 20 Exalts an hour... because the used item will always be cheaper.

Maps are the only real exception to this; as consumables, they can't be handed down.

So please, stop with the "increase drop rate to enable crafting" suggestions. They're founded on an utterly false premise.

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Agilaz wrote:

I like the way things are, because I am not expecting nor demanding to get godly gear with a minimal amount of effort. I like the RNG in this game. I do not want this to turn into that other game where crafting/gambling is mind-numbingly stupid and simplistic, gear drops are linear, and upgrading your gear means lurking on the aucti...I mean, the trade forums until you find something that's not horribly overpriced.

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Jojas wrote:

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tadl wrote:

This reminds me so much on a game that got killed by the players that want it fast, faster, fastest. He just explains it in words much better than I.

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rd0-zVIBVo

Ok simple question:

How many minutes you think you guys should play to get an Exalt, a 5L, a 6L, a perfect rolled piece of gear.

I haven't played WoW but I think you misunderstood either the video or the intention of this thread. The video is all about tuning down the difficulty. This thread is all about making crafting more rewarding. Not the same thing.

I think this game would be much more popular (and better) if crafting and drops were vastly improved while having a ramped up difficulty, i.e. any boss being about as difficult as the rogue exiles are and the white and blue monsters being slightly more dangerous as well.

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solwitch wrote:

Seriously since when did this genre of video games become about crafting? Are you people serious? You freaking kidding me right. You are complaining about crafting... the world is ending it really is.

Only World of Warcraft or Guild Wars players are complaining about crafting... POE can do with out you.